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For me, i go by spiderman rules: Everybody gets one. You get ONE self harm death, revolver yourself? I'll fix ya, bash yourself in medbay to death with a toolbox? I'll help ya, drink yourself into a coma? I'll fix ya. Fight an angry bear because you got some beef with it? I'll fix ya If i find you did these things AGAIN, after the first time. I aint fixin ya, i got people who actually need that medicine compared to the guy who keeps (And true story) Literally eating every pill in the chemists cooler, and no matter how many times we fixed him he would do it again later, so the entire bay just decided on coms "Sooo...if he does this again, just DNR him right?" Thats not to say i wont toss someone in the cloner if their already dead, since that's an easy fix and biomass is beyond easy to aquire, but i am not wasting anymore medical supplies than I have to on people who don't want to live. I'm all for this being an official part of their SOP. Could have part of it be somthing like: Doctors are expected to make a reasonable attempt to fix first instance cases of self-harm. Further cases of self-harm are at a doctors discretion on how/if they wish to treat it.

Essentially, I am proposing some variation of this be added to medical SOP; 10. The Brig Physician is not obliged to treat any injuries prisoners sustain from self-harm. If they kill themselves, put them in a body bag, label the body bag with their name and "suicide", and deliver the body bag to medical for storage in the morgue. Now, I know some people already basically do this anyway, myself included. But at the same time you have people complaining about it/threatening to fire doctors for it/actually firing doctors for it. When in reality it should be as much of an option as suicidal prisoners, given the majority of people that do it aren't doing it for RP reasons and are just tiders that drink themselves to death over and over/punch themselves to death/russian revolver/etc. It's already not possible to revive suicide verb users, I believe that it should be discouraged to revive those that do it outside of the verb. Not only is it a waste of medical resources, but as stated, it just wastes medbays time on some random tider/troll that's doing it to waste others' time or for no real reason at all. Not to mention some people that do it to avoid using *suicide so they can roll for midround spawns(not commonplace at all, sure, but I'm sure it's an issue). Personally I would suggest something like the Brig Physician's SOP, essentially DNRing those that commit suicide in any manner if it's provably suicide or obvious self harm. At the very least severely discouraging their revival.

That's actually perfectly along the lines of what I would like to see added to their SOP. Though I'd go so far as to say doctors aren't obliged to treat self harm at all, but are allowed to and possibly even encourage to for the first offense, overall that's perfect

From a real-life standpoint, people dont suicide (in a most brutal of ways, imagine brutalizing yourself to death) because they been arrested for few minutes, or because they are bored and are trying to get attention. real life doctors help attempted suicides because we are real humans and such things happen due to tragedies, not superficial reasons. Why are you even mentioning this? --- Im on the same page as Mitchs really, if people brutalize themselves, being forced to treat them is a waste of time, because lets be real, the greytider thats doing it, is only doing such to grief players and get attention, not anything else. In many cases its really disruptive if medical has actual issues to deal with. And no, he is not going to stop after treatment. You either straightjacket them or keep managing their BS. (which means either healing them all the time or fighting them to keep them restrained.)

Thanks a lot, I really like yours too Angelica. I appreciate it. Also, haven't posted here for a longggggggggg while, here's @Cheeseman's Krek, Noble of Clan Tristan, a Kidan.

Hi hi, peeps! So.. I have wanted to start drawing more after the last bit in here. Well it has been few months and I have just finally managed to force myself to do something.. It is my main character Saki and her now fiancee Katlyn Hudson @Veloxi. In a round few days back, Katlyn was targetted by a vampire and died around 2-3 times. Made this one a bit more dramatic than it was in the actual game, but I think it turned out well. Also made my own medical suit because reasons . Anyway, I would appreciate any criticism that could help me realise what could've been done better!