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i'll be the voice of reason here and ask what the fuck you're talking about

Beat me to the punch on the thread, I see. Ill try and keep my points concise. When I asked around on discord the main two points for the change I saw were as follows: 1) It discourages detcurity via ensuring they only engage proper threats, lest they get jobanned/demoted. 2) The only alternative would be removal. For point 1), I see the logic, but I don't think it works out in practice. Not all rounds have HoS's like Moi, Malvor, Owen, Bubblegum, etc, who have the conviction to demote one of their own. Even if they do, they sometimes miss things, especially in hectic rounds. Admins are also not all-seeing, and these things aren't always ahelped. Even in my case, when I had plenty of hours on this server, didn't realize when I was illegitimately lethalled and I instead bitched in dchat (as god gamers do) for what I assumed was a valid, but dirty action. Now you can imagine it'd be even less likely for less experienced players to ahelp. Furthermore, even if it is ahelped and the detective is dealt with, the antag is often still dead or at the very least crippled from IB. While I personally don't mind a "ruined" antag round since there are always more, others feel more strongly on the matter. For point 2), I agree. Even though I'd prefer getting stunned over getting IB/broken leg, I don't think maintainers would even consider a revert to the previous stun/disabler-like version. I also don't think I could convince anyone of a second alternative, such as locking the revolver in a display case shift start that has to be unlocked via HoS/Warden, etc. And in the end, although I hate detective having a better lethal than anyone else in sec AND on roundstart, I'd prefer that over outright removal. That's what made me question even making a thread like this one, since what would be the point if the alternative is worse than the problem? Closing points: As it stands, detective has the best lethals in security, given it at roundstart, and can legally carry it at all times. They have more capacity to "ruin" an antag round, valid or invalid, than any other sec member. Currently I fear the detective more than any other sec member for their ability to end a run. But, even so, I'd prefer that over outright removal of the revolver.