Djvoid225

I honestly can't agree more with this, but the spaceproof removal thing is very old. I don't think people who played vox explicitly to play vox and not powergame really cared much about being space proof besides the time it's saved their lives. Personally, I don't really see a need for any race to be inherently space proof, so I gotta say I agree with that change. More uniquity in races without making it a stat game is VERY achievable, I think more thought needs to be put into stuff like that, and less on nerfing or buffing a certain race. Having to work with a certain gameplay advantage/disadvantage would be significantly better than just 'You get hit harder, meaning you lose most fights against those without the same weaknesses.' Greys have the same issue as vox, but are cloneable so it's less of an issue when they die. I feel vox are now at a severe disadvantage in basically anything combat related, especially with the new removal of SM. Perhaps we should start to think more on the grander scheme of things and not work towards race balance, but race uniqueness.

Hmm, Y'all got a lot of good ideas and points you've made through out this thread. I do have to agree the vox discord has been a bit of an echo chamber. (it's not a serious issue though as we've only had one echo chamber moment and quite a few of us realized it the second we got into it. We generally just all like to discuss vox stuff and joke about IC stuff. We aren't sitting around trying to make up the best way to play vox, and we're also working on trying to straighten out lore so we can more easily rp and put the effort in to make our characters unique on their own.) I like the sound of either cold resistance or maybe even pressure resistance for vox to make short spacewalks viable in case of emergency (like medbay getting bombed for the fourteenth time today). A lot of complaints I am hearing from vox players is less actually how SR works or how revival works, and more so how the brute malus functions. Simply put, I don't think me throwing a bottle at the bar and accidentally hitting a vox should give them IB and a broken chest. It doesn't really make sense IC and it's not super fun gameplay wise to have to get three separate surgeries done because your sec vox decided they wanted to stop a simple giant spider mob from killing someone and breaking shit. Maybe if there was a better way to include vox being small, not the type to fight, people would gripe less for sure. (I'm thinking either lessen or remove the malus all together, but adding (a) bonus(es) to balance it is fair as fair gets.) Quick bottom note real quick: This was completely unbecoming of everyone initially involved with getting vox balanced, but I would like to say something in regards to it all. First off, obviously, the banding together and assailing the staff because we're unhappy is stupid. Plain and simple. But there were... three vox prs put up in the last month or so. One was a joke, not to be actually taken serious in any regard and was an inside joke between some vox and some staff who like the 'don't headpat vox' joke. One was a revert to a pr that was directly removing a boon of vox when said boon would actually be useful. The third was an attempt to change a cosmetic piece of vox for rp and style purposes. (plus it would have actually been a malus to take said cosmetic anyways.) Disruption of any work or server was completely outside of the intended effects. If such a thing truly did happen, as someone who was involved in one way or another, I'd like to apologize.

I have something I'd like to state in regards to the current tensions between the 'vox metaclique' and the staff of paradise station currently. Neither of our behaviors have been acceptable, and only serve to feed one another into a circle of unending fighting. It's childish, and both sides need to stop. The vox players feel unrepresented and try to strike out, the admins refute such ideas. This isn't a case of one is right and the other is wrong, and it's not that both sides don't have good points either. The vox need to stop whining about misrepresentation and 'racism' and the admins need to keep a sharper ear out and an open mind for just what they might actually have an issue with. The vox players know what they don't like about current balance, and are ready to propose ideas. It's an obligation of the admins to make sure their new 'balance changes' are balanced for everyone buy the end of it (while still making changes). Work with each other and please stop arguing about events out of this thread. Thank you all for your feedback so far, and the comments about my apparent maturity. I am going to kindly ask we keep all discussion, argument, or griping about the other side having opinions out of this discussion. This discussion is about suggesting and discussing change for a race. Not arguing about it's community or anything of that likeness. Don't come here to fight people picking fights or pick a fight with vox, this is a public forum. Don't come here to fight people picking fights or pick a fight with non-vox, this is a public forum. If someone says something you don't like, ignore it. This isn't the place to 'duke it out' or argue with someone cause they said something you like. This is a discussion post about making balance changes.

Currently speaking, many people within the vox community have an issue with the current balance of vox and the changes made to vox. https://docs.google.com/document/d/122CNIkfPy2Nixuo5q7woUaYJPpd0gX4boK9FOm_pNsc/edit?usp=sharing This is a document highlighting those issues. This discussion post is intended for discussion of balance changes, fixes and/or ideas surrounding vox balance. All ideas are welcome, all criticism is welcome, but please keep discussion civil.

The sec train making a stop at clownville for a little disarming conversation.