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BYOND makes money from ads and cuts from anything involving money and BYOND too, I believe. Ah, see, now you get it.

I'm fine with bounties for BYOND features, but the bounties should be placed after important issues. Not the kind of features Lummox is currently chasing.This is the kind of "if he wants money he has to show that he can make something worth money" I mean. Lummox treats BYOND as a full time job, I believe. And BYOND Software is a company, so you treat it like one. I suppose I could make a post on the forums to say "we need to turn this engine around. Seriously." but I highly doubt he'd listen anyways.

I wasn't talking about open sourcing it, it would be more "Lummox, if you want support, you need to show there is something to support" Support him when he shows that he genuinely can write something other than poorly thought out hacks. This is rewarding somebody 101. At the current rate of development BYOND is just gonna collapse in on itself.

You have to keep in mind that without lummox, we'd have gained a ton more already. He is the single handedly the reason for tons of pain and why developing DM code is so hard. You are having a cost though. For one thing if BYOND used threading then server hosting costs would already drop tremendously, but that's dreaming. You have to remember that if you're not paying, you're the product. You're already paying with ad money that pops up whenever you have to reconnect because your viewport froze. Also, lummox has actively refused volunteer work under NDA from some extremely well respected BYOND members. I doubt he wants a second employee.

I wasn't arguing about what sparks said. I was saying that the maintainers and headmins should bring forth their reasoning properly.

Which was after an argument that consistent of shit flinging and was mostly attacking my method of proposing the change. I say we have the actual proper discussion here.

Also I would like to mention that the recent issue created by outbools on GitHub has nothing to do with me, I don't even know who that guy is but he clearly supports me.

Ok, I'll play by your rules. No shit flinging, forum post before PR, a "proper" argument. We should remove the icon in OOC for BYOND members. We shouldn't endorse BYOND in any way, as all money goes to Lummox, who is essentially holding the engine hostage without properly improving it, but rather maintaining it with hack job and poorly designed systems. The result is showing, 511 is buggy, getting things to work as a developer is painful, and actually important reworks and issues are being overlooked.

I should've expected nobody to have any idea what it is since fj45 dissapeared. Atmospheric Automations Console, it's a thing to program atmos you can print at R&D. I ported it from [somewhere], but due to people crying about it being OP (which it never was) I nerfed it into the ground. PS did anybody ever use a multitool on a piece of atmos equipment?

Well that's just straight up false, the taser is the PBT pacifier. I'll give you a hint check the circuit imprinter.

Really a range of 8 tiles is fucking nothing and I initially did it like this so people would stop complaining "AAC OP" 2 years ago. 20 tiles should on it.

I think you need to enable "Accept invalid SSL certificate" in HexChat to connect to SynIRC (atleast I had to).

I think adr was more going at the fact that it's duct tape and this thread's title is duck tape shoes.

Oh, and port /vg/'s SM WHICH IS NOT SHIT while you're at it too.

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