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Point C itself isn't presently going to invoke 'overwhelming IC and OOC restrictions' aside from potentially adding a sensible psychiatric checkup. While the topic itself does tie into point C, the suggestion at hand will likely only make an impact for players who want a certain type of roleplay. Many roboticists will likely still perform borgifications with the proposition I've given; nothing about it has, at this moment, suggested or required they don't perform borgifications. It merely gives them the option to decline.

I think another forum thread for this discussion would be best; this is fairly off topic to the actual proposition at hand.

I've gone ahead and reworded point C to be more clear about what I'm aiming for at this time, just so there's less confusion. My personal opinions on the entire topic can be discussed elsewhere.

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While I do have replies to all of this and more-- This largely seems like my basic wish--for a proper SoP change that gives roboticists at least the agency to decide if they are willing to do borgifications--is something we both agree on. I'm more than happy to continue this line of thought with you in DMs on discord, however--I haven't quite met someone who's capable of defending it beyond mild sentences and the same, disputable points again and again. It's a very interesting topic to me as well. However, for the sake of keeping this thread mostly on topic towards robotics SoP in general, we should probably shelve this publically.

I play both robotics AND cyborgs--I've been playing both department for years. I've given this topic several months worth of thought myself. For lack of a better word, this falls into the zone of 'entitlement'. Nobody is entitled to these slots--for good reason, as having too many is a problem. Not to mention that this is primarily an OOC thing players do that messes with the IC environment. It's the same as me not being entitled to a robotics slot every round despite there only being two of those, or any other role in the game. Ghosts are presently allowed to use LOOC to ask for a robotic brain to be made. Robotic brains are also a dime a dozen and are made very regularly--I'm going to guess you're around at all the bad times. Even if none of this were the case, however, I don't particularly see the issue. There shouldn't be, ideally, more than four or so borgs at any given time. I wouldn't be opposed to making the cost of robotic brains higher, either, mind. This is actually something that, when I brought it up with people in the public discord, was frowned upon pretty heavily. People shouldn't be making characters solely to run off to robotics at the start of the round to get borged. A character like that would likely have that sort of thing handled on the Trurl, or spend actual time getting it approved onboard the Cyberiad at the very least. Shoving a paper in my face really isn't enough. If you want to play a borg, there are options--but you should not be expected to get it every round, nor trying to force your way into it every round. This is correct; however, there's also nothing against the RD/ HoP/ Captain telling you to do it and then subsequently firing you for not wanting to do it. Playing a character that actually takes ethics and morale standing into consideration is actively shut down. Trust me, I've been there. It is required... yet it often just falls down to a person walking up with a piece of paper saying 'borg me lol' and a signature. If you're me, you'll have them jumping through a bunch of other hoops, but that often gets shut down by most command staff who just say 'do it' without a second thought. It presently isn't something an HoP considers, and while that may help with the issue of overabundance of borgs (maybe), I don't feel it addresses the problem of failRP.

Most command players tend to cite SoP very frequently and follow it--hell, we sort of expect them to do so by our server rules. Yes, it would have an impact, and if SoP actually makes sense, it will help alleviate some of the overly LRP tendencies of other players while encouraging more creative or interesting playstyles. This can be combined with mechanical changes (largely in regards to mechas) for even more improvement.

An RD that blindly fires people over something that shouldn't be a common occurrence is also boring, and 99% the outcome. It's part of why people don't do unique character traits.

Unless the RD/ HoP/ captain threatens to fire you. Join as one round start or play a robotic brain personality.

This one isn't as big of a deal as the other two. Think about civilians freely getting securityHUDs or surgical implants, for example--that sort of thing. I did word it very poorly, admittedly!

I don't think this thread is any surprise to anyone that pays attention to the things I say on discord. Put simply... this stuff isn't particularly ideal, especially in regards to a few of these specific scenarios: A) Combat mechas can be freely pumped out at will on just code blue. You don't need combat mechas around until there's an actual deadly emergency at hand. B) With the exception of illegal combat implants, anyone can request nearly any type of implant/ augmentation they desire, and more or less be entitled towards getting it. It doesn't make too much sense for a civilian to be strutting about with secHUDs, a welding shield and a surgical toolset implant. C) Borgification is a very strange topic, and many consider it to be fairly LRP to randomly decide to get borged. However, as it's a fairly big topic that's laced deeply into Para's culture, I think that a basic change to enable roboticists to decide whether or not they want to perform any borgification at their own discretion would allow for more interesting RP for the time being--think along the lines of personal ethics/ morales. Perhaps also require a psychiatric check and signature (those poor therapists could afford something to actually do for once) if the roboticist is willing. EDIT: I've reworded point 3 to be more clear as to what I want to do with the SoP regarding borgifications at this time, rather than go on a personal rant.

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Stop suggesting actually interesting ideas >:^(

I spent about twenty minutes putting in zero effort, and half of these look dumb but heck you ANGELICA Although she seldom deviates from her typical style here on Paradise, the amount of times I've recreated this character in other games is ludicrous. Unfortunately, I can't really recreate Dark Souls 3 ANGELICA in Byond, so here's some filler ones I came up with off the top of my head. Casual attire: Sleepwear attire: Angel... dress... thing: Secret Angel: Apocolyptic survivor ANGELICA: Spark 5.5 Spark underwent many changes from their inception. Here are three: Superhero Spark: 'Military' Spark: (Current) Casual attire: I could do my twenty billion other characters, but I need sleep.

a drawing with a character having a Dimensional Scream only for it to be a meme character like bubblegum announcing they like chili beans would be hilarious.

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Let's rebase to 2012 baycode :^)

I genuinely think Meta can be improved upon. If general consensus wants Meta replaced, so be it--but goddamn it do I love Metastation. Call maintenance cramped all you like... I love all the ghetto rooms and areas to explore. And with Arc's post... mmm... not really onboard with eclipse, either. What about... was it Cere? The one with the asteroids.

Just don't die then

LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLO- (Serious note: please stop using this thread to grind post count. I ain't stupid, nerds.)

They haven't been intended to be stealth antagonists since 2015.

Another problem with SR to add to my collection. I'm frankly of the camp that SR should straight up not be a thing, personally. However, it won't really change much in regards to changelings.

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Maybe so, but I feel it still takes away from the setting. Although, this is coming from someone who lives in a place with snow every year during winter and loves it. The effect is likely lost on a good chunk of our playerbase anyways.