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I like how you all try to change Communist Space Station to Capitalist Space Station. Maybe finally somebody would bother to pay me for mercenary things. Too many times I've heard "Why do you need credits?"

Well... As an antag you can approach your objective from different "sides". Combat gear lets you kill CMO, get his ID and then still his shit. Still, Surplus crate is only good when having hijack. On the other occasions you are pretty much screwed without good gear.

Nope. New race has to be something "new", or atleast not 90% similar to earth animals. So much aliens to just add and mothman is the best what you can "come up" with? Scrin from C&C, every race from Mass Effect... But no: Add more boring Tajarans and alike.

I always though that things in loadout menu must be "fair". Mad Scientist Labcoat gives you two additional "small" slots, while other external wear like military jackets do not. Powergamers would first jump onto those in loadout, now they have to pick it up ingame.

All I have are CnC references. AI: CABAL - Thinks that Cyborgs are superior, despites a common laser pointer is like a remote control for them. I'm trying to be invested in Crew's life, argue about cybernetics and chase criminals. I'm usually trying to reinforce my Core becouse of powergaming traitors. Did you know that you can somehow push anchored core to the wall? I didn't but simple vampire without gear misted to my core once and did that. He know that this will work. Cyborg: Enlightened - Pretty much security CABAL, but with more "holy" speach, not that devilish. Always asks for orders at the start of the round, but always ignored by Sec. Works alone, but have nothing against having a partner.

Easy. Just don't be robust enough and all I can do is stealth combo with Voice changer and Agent ID. Maybe we should put NT Operative next to "Traitor", or came up with "Stealth Traitor" as a new Antag. Basically a Traitor, but with objective to do everything stealth. That would give those, who want hijack(mourderboing) would set "Traitor" as "yes", and "Stealth agent" as "no". Besides, it can be 20 traitors vs 5 sec if only traitors don't cooperate(This is why objectives to kill other antags is brilliant). The worst part of it are "Metabuddies". I nearly always play Sec as late-join and I saw few "popular" players/characters doing everything to just fuck up sec: "How dare you set Sec role as "high", "medium", or even "low"? How dare you click "Security officer" as late joiner! How dare you arrest my buddy for Tresspasing! How dare you taze him for slipping you and stealing your Stunbatton! How dare you bucklecuff him after he destroyed window and light bulb? I will bust him out of the prison! How dare you chase him to the maintenance! How dare you to use mechanical heart, to stand up before he can cablecuff you? How dare you harmbatton me and my friend when I try to stun you again! Captain says: Hey, Shitcurity officer, how dare you harmbatton that one guy who slip you, took your stunbatton, escaped from cell and tried to cablecuff you? This is unacceptable! Those two friends? Let all their crimes be forggoten, no matter what they did, your harmbattoning is like a word of CentComm." (Forgot to tell they were non-antag) And all of this happened to me once when I was officer and from that time I learned to never arrest "Server's Cool Kids".

It's interesting idea, that force those, who locked down borg, to act. If borg is locked down for more than 10 minutes, then it means that RD/Roboticists don't do their job. This is for gameplay. For IC issue: It's hard to think that NanoTrasen would install such thing on borg vessel. Since there is a record of revolting AI in the lore and whole IPC liberation. It could be explained that brain of cyborg, or posibrain of android, work this out trough "willpower".

I think people treats this lawset as "freedom", becouse you can only operate on extremes here. The problem is here for two reasons. First is that this lawset was created for police cyborg, so it strictly forces any module to uphold the law. Second is that this lawset was created as "directives" that are equaly important and server rules states: "The order of the Laws is what determines the priority of the Laws. If two Laws contradict one another, you are to follow the one that is highest in the list, as it would overrule any contradictory Laws that come under it;". You can't "common sense" priority out. You can't ignore law, either. "Common sense is to be used with all default Lawsets..." Robocop lawset is default? If the answer is "yes", then it's a "freedom" of doing whatever for all modules besides Sec and AI. If "no", then every module should respond to sec calls and chase "bad guys". They must "uphold the law" even without tools do to it. Overall its a good guide, but I think that lawset itself is invalid for SS13 and was only added becouse: "Murphy was a borgo too! Let's add this as a fan service".

It's becouse it is a "Medium-RP" server. In the spite of that, the only thing that can be done are the IC punishments: Breaking to Tech storage for insulated gloves? Chase those criminals and brig them. Even 5 minutes in cell is enough for everyone else to clear the maintenance from any valuable loot. OOC tears for sure, but this will teach them for the future. Security bragging about "there is always more antagonists" without evidence ? Force (literally FORCE) them to visit Psychiatrist. Their paranoid behaviour might be a first symptom of their inability to work there. This way Paradise will stay as a MRP server, where it depends on you how much RP, above bare minimum, you will give. At the same time, low RP will be discouraged by IC manners by means like shame in IC, or wasting few minutes.

Brig phys only patches Officers up. Nothing that they couldn't get from going to Medbay, only a little slower. What this really changes? Something that have impact after the fight. If you don't have Hijack objective, this doesn't matter at all. If one brig phys is killed, it's easy for another to replace previous one. This is why picking this role off have no reason and it's even better(from entirely Meta/Power point) to kill normal officer. Brig Tech would try to give Sec improvement, some advantage that they wouldn't get, or that they were not that likey. Autolathes in brig... That kind of stuff. If frist Tech would start doing something(turrets/lathes/etc) it's a little harder for second to just start where previous has ended. At worse, sec improvement is slowed down. At best it's terminated.

Another aspect of this idea is meta/powergaming antag that would try to eliminate anyone in this position, for a valid reason: Slow down, or terminate Sec progress. It's not easy for half-robust, stealth focused Syndicate Agent to operate from 01:30 to end of the shift, when other departments are trying to benefit Sec(Genes/Weapons/etc). With someone like this onboard, I would consider picking him off myself, when I usually avoid Sec and early reveal as IPC would avoid Ion weaponry. Just imagine what someone could do, with good knowledge of Science and with a lot of spare time for sec: Teleporting officers out of combat, when they receive some damage. Every officer prescanned in cloner and with bomb that will blow up if they die, gibbing them, of course.

Two scientist tresspased into Gateway. Officer went after them. Scientists returned and said that officer died. Rescue team with HoS and one officer(me). I found EMP spellbook and I used it, but I died becouse of my mechanical heart. HoS pulled my dead body to other room, NPC morph atacked him, he started running around untill he died from wounds. Original officer's body was not present in gateway...

I don't see why bigger threat present on station immediately "turn off" lesser crimes from Space Law and I hate Warden/HoS who will let thef, or vandal go, becouse NukeOps declared war, or Wizard is around. If threat is not present in brig at the moment, why Sec should let criminals go? Especially Sec Borgs that almost always lack any means to fight: "Why are you arresting me, when there is a wizard on the station?". What I should do? Shoot disabler untill battery runs dry and get EMP'ed?

It's fairly easy to get Gateway Explorer job as civilian. Just go to HoP, wait in the line, wait for him to ask Captain and there you go. If HoP is experienced, he will give you EVA access, so you can get Suit and Air and that is enough to survive. First "lucky" one gets toolbelt, magboots and multitool from EVA and First Aid Kit from gateway room. Next gateway explorers need to ask cargo and botany for the stuff, or go to maintenance hunting. The more Gateway Explorers, the better(or just Safier). Next thing is that nobody cares about job you are doing. You can bring 10 mining hardsuits, or 5 dead facehuggers, or unopened Sec closet, but noone will ever notice. Only antags have some use from it and they will appreciate your effort, or they will go there themself. Gateway explorer as it is now is pretty useless for NanoTrasen and it must be reworked to be a valid non-civilian Job. Like RnD taking advantage from tech discs, or Alien materials(dead facehugger/etc). Another thing is that Gateway is a training ground for Greytiders to become Robust. Learn to hack, fight, construct and deconstruct. Being Karma required it would prevent new players who need it to have it.

Now I think that this discussion went a bit too off rails and we have sort of impasse. Those laws and their interpretation worked fine for several years on this "Medium-RP" server, without big complains. It's not "High-RP" and we are not dealing with real AI, only players with better, or worse immersion/"common sense". Better solution would be that what I proposed in the first post in this topic: Limit "overthinking" and "going too much into the future": Write page on wiki titled: "Synthetic Law Interpretation" as a guide, like for other jobs with examples and add a line in "Rule 9" that reading this guide is required. - Bolting two doors out of three? Hallway is still functioning and this means no harm and no expenses. - Throwing nuclear device out of the station on code green? Going too much into the future. Rewriting all laws is pointless, becouse all laws are limited by law -99: "Don't be a dick/uncooperative" and law -98: "Use common sense" that change their intepretation anyway.