Sonador

I'm done. I give up. The entire point with the way I wrote my post was trying to avoid that, and you're still maintaining, three posts later, that I'm finger pointing. I'm going to take a long break, and when I come back, if I come back, I'm not going to participate in the forums or on the Discord. You've successfully ignored the entire point of the thread. You win. Bye.

I wish I had most of that post because it was a long and thoughtful reply, but honestly between the frustration and assumptions I just don't have the time or energy to recreate it, and just as you don't owe me anything, I don't owe you anything, either. You're not dogpiling, and although your post still has the wrong idea, it's at least a lot less of a personal attack for making a suggestion in the correct place, so I appreciate that. Assuming bad faith is never a good tack to take, though - I didn't assume bad faith in my original suggestion, and assuming bad faith means that every suggestion is inherently asserting the server is bad or broken, every admin complaint is a personal retaliation, and every ban appeal is made over a perceived injustice. I didn't DM a headmin because I assumed, like AffectedArc and the rules for ban appeals and admin complaints, it was at best frowned upon and at worst bannable. I was also worried that I'd be perceived as trying to sneak one over and get back at the headmins for rejecting my application in a place where nobody else could see it. I chose this place because it's public, and because it's public, I hoped you'd feel that I'd be aware of same when making the suggestion and be under an assumed good faith as a result, given if I were an asshole about it, everyone, players included, would know about it. I was wrong, I'll take that under advisement. You've assumed as much, if not more about me than I've ostensibly assumed about you. Your second paragraph is a great example. I deleted all of my messages in your discord, not just ones post-2018, because I don't like the kind of person I was back then. Discord doesn't have a facility for this, so the closest I get is using a service to expunge my posts entirely. If anything, I'd have preferred to keep my newer posts, not delete them. You are not the only community I've done this in, I'm not the only one that does this. I hope you can understand that. You've put me in a corner where I have to be defensive and now we all look like we're trading blows. All I wanted was to get across was that "hey, the manner in which you replied made me feel like trash, in the future, at least tell me what in most importance I did wrong, or if you don't have the time, just flatly reject it with no allusions." All I wanted was a response to the tune of "hey, we'll take this under advisement and discuss it," or even "hey, thanks for the suggestion, but that's not quite what we want as policy." Instead, now we all look like clowns, and that's what I specifically wanted to avoid making my post worded that way. I hope you can see past those assumptions and just take me at face value. I don't care about being rejected. That's fine, it's your server, and like the rest of your own team I'm 32 years old and have my own life, job, and worries. I just wanted to show you that the way you rejected me, not that you rejected me, really stung, and maybe provide you with some advice on how to avoid it in the future. Thanks.

Nevermind, the editor ate most of my post.

Okay... wow. That's a lot to unpack here. Let me see if I can do my best to not sound like an asshole, but generally this post comes off not like a rebuttal, but as if you skimmed it and missed most of my points. I'll clarify as best I can in brief. I didn't request a non-response. That was probably the number one thing I made clear in my post, and I'm a little disappointed you eschewed that and am trying to paint me as publicly excoriating you and demanding you just sit there and take it. That would have been stupid, the post was made publicly so that the exchange, if there was to be one, could be transparent and offer both the administration a chance to reply as much as other users to reply, for or against the point. I made an acknowledgement that you don't owe me anything and that you can ignore the post and go on with your life without offending me or appearing like you're just sweeping it under the rug. I know the entire team has busy lives. So do I. That's why I said you didn't owe me a reply. That's fair. But if you're declining someone's application to join the team with a reason, it's important to let them know at least clearly or critically why. More on this in your response below. This is all very valid. I'll point out again, nobody required you to respond, now or later. But if the administrative staff are overloaded to the degree they're noting hundreds of players a month per admin, perhaps broadening the ranks further might be in order. But again, I'm going to point out that I made a specific point that I realize trying to have an intellectual debate with players in SS13 is a fool's errand, but trying to maintain that warning players they're breaking the rules is simply too much to expect of a server's administration is a non-starter. It flies in the face of how administrating a community works. If you're at the level where warning a player they're breaking the rules is too much to demand of your staff, you're either overworking your staff or your players are running rampant. Banning players outright as your sole form of enforcement isn't an approach that takes workload off of your admins, it creates more - you're now placing them in a position where they are in fact obligated to reply, or have someone else reply, often multiple times outside of the game on top of their moderation duties in game. The vast majority of your appeals are very simple "read the rules, say the phrase" bans that could have been averted with a warning. And just a thought - just as you don't owe me a reply, you don't owe a player a conversation over a warning. You don't owe them a warning, either, but if you're taking the time to note it, a gentle nudge won't take more than a few seconds, and could potentially save you a multiple week long appeal and added workload. Again, take it or leave it, it's your server and you don't need to justify to me why you're making your choice. It's just food for thought. You're right. I'm not. So why bother with one in the first place if you're not going to provide it? The headmin could just as easily have responded with "We've reviewed you application and at this time have decided not to move forward. You're more than welcome to reapply on the next round." Coming at me with "Don't post shit like this" most definitely not only guarantees I won't be reapplying, it paints you in an extremely negative light. I didn't say or do anything in here that invited that kind of disrespect. I'm not trying to use this to get back at you for rejecting me, only a child would post something like this and expect to have any hope of having a better chance. I didn't ask you for a complete rundown, but giving players a clue what they're doing wrong is pretty essential if you want them to be better players, let alone potentially staff to help distribute the workload in the future. If you're going to do something, do it right - either clue them in or just flatly deny the application. If you explain to them why they're being rejected and they get snitty about it, that's on them; but if you give them vague notions that they're out of line and leave them guessing, it'd make anyone feel like shit. It'd be like me making this thread and then just vaguebooking at you that I have criticisms about the process but not telling you what they are instead of just not posting or elaborating on it. I really don't like the "posting shit like this" bit - I really don't think I deserved that, and I'm going to try to give you the benefit of the doubt given you've had a long day and sat down to reply in a bad state of mind. That was really uncool, man, but I'm going to try to take you at face value that you mean well and move on. I'm going to level with you - I posted this here for the same reason that your unban appeals and admin complaints sections are visible to the public. I don't think you'd be criticizing them for DMing the staff to discuss it instead of posting it there. Nobody says that they have to be visible, but they are, for a reason, transparent. It removes any doubt about how your team handles objections to staff conduct or penalties applied to them and fosters a better image of your team while putting to the sword shitters that talk about admin abuse in other communities and such. I'm sorry that I made you feel like I'm passing judgement upon you, I'm not. I'm sorry I made you feel like I'm assuming I know better - I might, I might not. But again, perhaps the one thing i outlined the most in my post is "You can take my advice or leave it, it can be founded or unfounded, but you don't owe me a justification." This isn't Martin Luther nailing objections to your door, I'm just outlining the impression that I got, how it made me feel, and why I think it happened and how it could be improved in the future. You could embrace it, have your own private conversation about it, or ignore it. But I really wasn't expecting someone to come at me sideways for it. Perhaps I am assuming why I was rejected - but then again, perhaps not. I think, if you look back on this post, you can maybe glean an idea why that may be. And again - nobody's saying you need to have an intellectual debate, neither in applications not in warnings. They can ahelp back and scream into the void all they want, and if they're incredibly pissed about it they can come to the forums and get a flat response that they're out of line and the thread can be closed. Nobody says you have to give more time than you already are to these people beyond making them aware they're breaking the rules so that hopefully, in the future, it doesn't end up with a much more laborious appeal that has to be checked on multiple times outside of the game. Honestly, you might be right, I'm not sure what I expected posting this, but it definitely wasn't this. I'm sorry you had a long day, and I mean it genuinely when I say I hope you feel better. I do have a profound respect for the time the team dedicates to the game. It's why I applied to help, even if you think I'm not a good fit. I work a full time job, too, some shifts 16 hours as we're short staffed. It's a lot to moderate SS13. Trust me, you might know better, but I know. This isn't passing judgement, this isn't a demand for answers, this isn't me trying to get one over on you for rejecting my application. It's a 2D spaceman game about farts, not grand subterfuge or high court and tea. But can you maybe understand that this is a, founded or unfounded, suggestion in the suggestions forum based upon my observations, perspective, training, and experience; and that I've invited you to reflect upon it and accept it, reject it, or ignore it entirely at your leisure? I could be totally off-base... but that's also something that you could look at and understand why I'm in a position to be so far off the mark. Maybe I'm an idiot for presenting it so seriously, but I'm being genuine. I'm sorry if I made you feel otherwise, but generally, that's what it is. I really, truly mean it when I say get some rest, and I hope you feel better.

Thanks for the reply. In that case, you can disregard that request unless a headmin wants to consider it; but again, no reply or justification is needed here unless they feel like volunteering it - if they think my advice is invalid, it's totally okay to ignore it and move on. I'm not demanding anything here, nobody owes me anything, I'm just passing on some suggestions based on experiences I've picked up over 10 years plus of community moderation and professional training. That's all!

I know a bunch of the staff are going to come in here thinking I'm here to bitch about being rejected. No, I'm not here for that, you can relax. I promise. First, - Recently, I was rejected for an admin application. Fair do's. It was a nasty shock, and I'll get into why that is that below, but I just want to outline above all, I'm not here to debate that decision. It's your server and I'm sure your concerns are valid whether or not I subjectively agree with them. - I was rejected for "concerns over (my) conduct in Discord on multiple occasions" and "concerns over conduct ingame." It was not elaborated upon further. Far be it from me to tell you how to run your show, but I want to run something by you and just see if it makes sense. You don't need to reply (and, in fact, you can lock this if you're so inclined after I've posted it to prevent it running away from me and my original point) as you don't owe my anything and it'd be pretty silly of someone who was just rejected for a GA application to expect you to stand here and justify yourselves to me. The objective of any well-placed criticism is for the person being criticized to improve. When you reject an admin application out of hand (or any application really) with vague messages like this, it can leave the person feeling alienated, wondering what it was they did wrong, and all around like they're a piece of shit. In the future, I'd recommend detailing at least a small portion of what, in particular, concerned the team enough to decide rejecting the application was appropriate. It's not always immediately apparent to someone what they're doing wrong - especially given the myriad SS13 servers out there, and what flies with them and what raises eyebrows here. The vague reply I got made me feel like real garbage in the sense that I wasn't even aware I was under scrutiny, let alone causing issues to the degree players/staff were taking issue with it. I don't know what I can do, at least in contemporality, to improve. Which leads me to my second and third points: Unless you're noting stuff on player accounts for things that need to be kept on the downlow, such as tracking players for multikeying, metacomming, abusing exploits and such, you should really be mentioning it to them. No, that doesn't mean having an intellectual debate with them, because that would make anyone pull their hair out, god. But a single direct message (not an Admin-PM, direct message is another admin verb that makes blue "Admin Announcement"-like text pop up on the player's screen with a bwoink but no links to reply) to the player along the lines of, "Hey, there's no need to respond to this message, but I have appended a note to your account because you keep shoving players into the wall at random and that's seen as low-RP conduct here and something we'd like you to avoid. If you feel this note is in error or is unfair, you can file an appeal at (link to the admin complaint forum.)" Again, the objective is for the player to improve. All of the scant few times I've had admins confront me about conduct, it's been a positive experience, most of which I've had the opportunity to be ready to admit I was wrong, own up to it, and move forward without any further issues. If you just note things on a player's account without telling them, you're setting them up to fail. If it's big enough to concern you, it should be big enough to concern them too. Does that make sense? This is something that was taught to me during my training as a supervisor in public safety, and it definitely helped me be a better supervisor. A cursory glance at my posts in the discord as I'm clearing them out reveal the lion's share was over 5 years ago in 2018. I think it's pretty self-explanatory that it's probably unfair to hold that against someone - I'm a much different person now than I was 5 years ago. No, this isn't a de-facto appeal against my rejection, again, I don't contest that, it's your show, and you don't owe me a justification; but where this turns from an objection to genuine advice is that holding things against someone several years in the past when there's no further evidence of recidivistic conduct isn't a standard I'd hold against anyone. All in all, my post can be summed up as, if you see something, say something. Constructive feedback is critical for anyone to improve regardless of if they're in a professional environment or shoving over the clown and farting on them. I'm not expecting justification, and you can take, leave, or laugh at this totally unsolicited advice from an admin app reject if you like; I'm just here to try to help things be better wherever I go. If you're feeling generous, I'd like to ask for a DM either on Discord or here on the forums with my current list of notes so I can see what I'm doing wrong and be a better player. If you're not up for doing that, that's okay, but please don't post it here in the thread if you're going to rebuke me, I'm not here to contest the findings of my application and it would be even more humiliating than the rejection outright. Thanks for reading, and I wish the budding new trialmins a horiffic robusting all the best as they join the team.

That's why I specifically outline that they're required to provide cremator access and otherwise not interfere, not "aid security." I'm outlining something that would be part of their job: ensuring the cremator is available in an emergency and it can be gotten to, thus in their SOP. We don't need SOP to require the chaplain to not be an antag, that's what the entire body of Space Law is for. This is specific enough that it both outlines what exactly must be done, and it is worded so that the chaplain also is not given wiggle room to become a validhunter.

My suggestion, as someone who's actually certified in how regulatory codes are written, and addressing the concerns of the thread: "6. It is the duty of the Chaplain to ensure that the crematorium is operational and accessible should an emergency require its use. If it is not, the Chaplain shall request the assistance of the appropriate station maintenance personnel; 7. Should the Chaplain be duly and diligently informed by station Security of the presence of a threat that may require the use of the the Chapel cremator to safely dispatch, the Chaplain shall provide access to this facility as required and shall not interfere with or impede Security in the course and scope of their duties." I might actually apply my knowledge to SOP et al at some point and codify it into something that clearly delineates what is a suggestion under SOP and what is a requirement under SOP that should be considered grounds for demotion upon violating (should/shall.)

Speaking from experience, from a balance perspective, 'undercover' sec officers are inherently vulnerable out of uniform. They're already relatively weak alone, but without armor and most of their weapons, they're pretty squishy. Security's entire strength is coordinated force in numbers. An undercover sec officer isn't going to be paling around with other conga lines of sec or even responding to calls. When I play undercover sec, I usually have a holobadge with my ID scanned in my pocket, and otherwise dress as a civilian and only carry pepper spray, a baton, and a pair of cuffs. I blend in with the bridge hobos or slum around the halls, and my only major interaction with sec is quietly putting on my huds to set someone or relay information over sec comms about the location of known antags and such. The only active arresting I do is if I spot people being shitheel tiders in my presence or someone calls it in near me, I don't concern myself with being part of the major hunts beyond a support role unless I'm physically dragged into it. I'm basically a mall cop. I can see it being a problem if it starts getting popular and we have a lot of undercover sec players, but aside from myself, I've only ever seen the blueshield pretending to be part of the tide, which I think is honestly really cool and an interesting approach so long as they're still watching over command. All in all I think it adds to the sec/antag dynamic - it takes tidery somewhat off of the main sec team's plate so they can focus on actually working on antags, and that's one of the major reasons I'm taking a break from the server right now. it brings the balance back into what it's more supposed to be: sec vs. antags.

Hi. I make 3D art sometimes, mostly vignettes inspired by music, involving my characters. You might recognize some of them. In an effort to "get myself out there," I've decided to start drip feeding a few of them on and off here so you may enjoy them. Most of these were made using Alchemy Viewer or Firestorm Viewer (older) for Second Life. These are not SFM or Garry's Mod. If you're ever curious about these or have any requests/themes, feel free to post. Constuctive criticism is also welcome, although my ego bruises easy, so please be gentle if you do. Please be aware although the images I post are PG-13 as required by Paradise's rules, themes of horror or violence may be involved, and if you seek out my work elsewhere, I do produce content not suitable for minors, although I will absolutely not post or share the location of said works here. Enjoy! -- -- -- Joel Nielsen - Inbound Part 3 Morning Patrol. -- -- -- Hello Meteor - Night Typing... This is a bad part of town. It's not safe here. Especially not given what -she's- up to. -- -- -- Nine Inch Nails - With Teeth > You have made a made a wrong turn and encountered some new friends! They look quite eager to get to know you. > ... > It is a sad thing that your adventures have ended here... -- -- -- Whitey - WRAP IT UP They had a plan. It didn't work out. -- -- -- Hello Meteor - Jolly Dry Laundromat An evening bike ride on the boardwalk, on his way to get some coffee, he spots a familiar part-timer. -- -- -- That's all for now. I'll post more in a little while!

I am vehemently against this idea as people already do this all the time without the permission to do so. Paradise has an incredible problem with tiders. Whenever I play security, my attention is constantly being divided between major, life-threatening antagonists aboard, and people with about two braincells being as annoying as humanly possible because it's funny to them. I'm always on the fence about ahelping this kind of conduct because it's hard for me to discern where the line is between an IC issue, whose entire purpose it is to be handled by security, and genuine self-antagging. Often I get no reply at all when I do, so I've chalked this up to being just permitted conduct. I usually limit reporting tiding to when there's a major station threat and the people smearing poop on the walls are actually risking security getting rolled. As Captain, I typically make an announcement to cool it with being idiots before I ahelp it as well, so if I get hit with "IC issue" I can usually respond with "It's been handled IC, now it's time for intervention." The last thing I think we really need right now is sanctioned tiding, it's just going to add on to an already significant problem. The existing tiders are also going to use this as another line to toe and take it way too far. No thank you.

Let the record reflect that Morale Officer Cabrillo was one of the proud few clowns who got to arm the station nuke and not get robusted, arrested, or bwoinked for it. 2023-04-02 07-21-42.mp4 I wish the recording hadn't quit early, I hit stop so I could hear the OGG but it stopped my recording. A cling ran onto the bridge, stole the abductor's body, and hand tele'd away, and Luca hugged the nuke and said "Come here, sweetheart, give us a kiss," just as it exploded. Best clown round ever.

I appreciate the attention to detail, but I just want to point out when you restrain someone to a chair while cuffed, you're not cuffing them to the chair. You're buckling them into the chair - like with a seatbelt or harness - while cuffed. The restrained party needs to wiggle out of the buckle, then slip their cuffs to be free. There's also a small problem that uncuffed users are totally free of movement, which will cause chaos in processing nearly 100% of the time.

I'd be for this, but only if also to prevent powergaming and excessive tiding, the "your toolbox swings open and its contents spill on the floor!" is also implemented so your doomstack toolbox has a chance each hit of losing its damage buff

Last night Adalwolf kept swinging by my HoP line asking to be reassigned as a "Minor Deity." They then persuaded several crew to take DNA that turned them into other Adalwolves. NNO Orrbe did not enjoy this. After a brief meeting, there was only one Adalwolf again. Also that shift, CRIMES were discovered and righted.

I can be your angle or your debil Ignore the parole's errors in formatting/spelling, the clown was banging on my window trying to get me to let him into the armory

Not quite paperwork, but some art I did up for Luca if you ever wonder what she looks like as magistrate

Breaking news, horizontal rules fucking suck Also there is spelling/grammar errors because there was a loud cult and I kept getting distracted

I'm all for giving the magistrate further say in whether or not anyone really ends up in the permanent brig without a trial. A trial is deeply unpopular because it takes an age to complete and it's really just an invitation for tiders to be assholes or antags to cause chaos; but giving the magistrate the authority to rule in the "spirit of the law," which is a real doctrine of law, when determining if an EoC really is a threat to the station/blew it badly enough that they deserve it would be a great way to further improve the relevance of the role. I'd also like to see parole take a larger role than "the station is on fire and literal prison labor is one of our only shots at it." If an EoC or other p-brigged player were to exhibit remorse, good behavior in the brig, and otherwise give security/the magistrate a reason to think that they are no longer a threat, I'd love for the magistrate to be able to have wider discretion in granting parole. I understand that in terms of antags vs. crew, pbrig is there as a "you lose" condition, but that doesn't mean that the player should have to cryo or remain in permanent brig unless they riot/break out/are broken out if they just want to keep playing.

This is a thread where I post paperwork I generate during the course of my shifts as Magistrate. Feel free to comment, otherwise this is just going to be images of paperwork. May my pathetic dorkishness inspire you.

IAAs do generally serve as lawyers. When not taking the initiative around the station to ensure departmental SOPs are being followed within reason, they do act as case advocates for people brigged improperly or facing security abuse. I wasn't aware there was a lawyer role, it's been IAA ever since I started playing here years ago, and the codebases I played prior otherwise didn't have anything resembling either. Working in tandem with a Magistrate, which is kind of Lawyer/Judge combination who carries actual enforcement authority over the security division, they form the station's full legal team.

As someone who's pretty annoyed by dumb tiding, I'm all for it being charged, but really trying to wrangle tiders during a hectic code red is going to tax security more than just ignoring them. If you're faffing around in maints dressed like a PMC with no ID on and we can't tell who you are, and you get snitty when asked, I'm dragging you to the brig, but bridge hoboing without an ID I couldn't care less about. There's a lot on station that people do that's illegal, but if we tried to brig everyone for it, there'd be riots and pull requests galore.

Local NTR desperately attempts (and succeeds!) in serving a Cease and Desist Order on the nuke ops