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Just give the AI core its shutter back, and hide the button in the CE office or something. There boom balanced!

Thing is though, I actually don't disagree with any of that. Making detection harder would be great, preferable even, its how sec inevitably deals with antags that I was trying to get at. The only thing I object to is the wording of the law, that "enemies of the corporation" need to be killed, it pretty much exempts you from any sort of treatment other than being killed, the only purpose the law serves is that "if atag = kill them". That's what they should be doing obviously, but what I'm sick of is the practice of being chapel dragged with no word to anyone about what's going other than "LING OPEN", that's obviously inevitable since it could monkeyfy at ant given moment, but more often than not its the antag who ends up being skrekked over.

Of course, they're a hostile alien and all. The enemy of the corporation law though makes it expected that any antag, not just aliums and vampyres, get taken out the round in the quickest way possible. Is it really that much to ask that being "found out" isn't a guaranteed round ender?

Since right now as it is, being found out as antag is insta death. Either you cover up every single trace and never get caught, of you fight off everyone who comes at you, there's no middle ground. Good example of this would be a ling round I was just in, no there wasn't any "friendly antag" nonsense, but as soon as I was ran up to and had my blood taken it was straight off to the chapel, when I hadn't even committed a crime they could pin on me. I had seriously spent all shift wandering around the station, stealing IDs, planting evidence, doing my job, being commended for it, by all ways a "model crewman" or whatever, I had done nthing to imply I was hostile. That was all over in 30 seconds as a result of "HALT" *taze *blood sample "LING CONFIRMED TO THE CHAPEL!" *hssss. Even worse is when you have a traitor item and you get lethal injection'd, every, single, time. That's not the issue though, taking out antags is sec's job after all, and lings murdered somebody to get on the station, but when the only damn thing they ever do is murderize them right away just because they were an antag and not because of what they actually did IG? Half the time they don't even get the cap's permission, or anyone's if its a borg. It really, really sucks when you try to make a round interesting and being valid hunted is your only reward, ever. Telvayne's idea from an other thread, removing the "enemy of the corporation" law, would be a nice way of removing justification for such behaviour, whilst not forcing everyone to re enact "the thing" every other round, whilst letting players retain their admin given right of being meta bastards That way maybe, just maybe, we'll have a bit more antag interaction other than "lol u ded and no one will find the body" "PEW PEW!" and "THE CREMATORIUM SPRINGS TO LIFE!" TL;DR: for fuck's sake guys you can do much more to a ling/vampire/traitor than cremate them you know. And no I don't want a return to the dark, dark days of Vampires and the like being protected under space law, that was a horrid time.

But what if they're multi-dual class? or if it was a racial ability?

To "fix" the gamemode, just give the Vox backpacks and some more toys to play around with. So many Traider rounds go bad because the vox don't have anywhere to put their god damn ammo, and all they have to "trade" with is a bunch of trash and a handful of precious traitor items. Killing them on sight though, before they have any chance to interact is pretty dickish if not powergaming. Unless they're a wizard, damn space terrorists...

The wall slam of doom needs to die. But possibly make r-walls firepoof, but not normal ones? got to have some way of getting around firelocks.

As CMO, it is your duty to drain the chem machines to fill your hypospray with chloral hydrate, it is your responsibility to go around giving small pricks to anyone and everyone, it is your burden to telebaton them straight to the brig!

The thing with myths, is they're immaterial.. wouldn't be a myth if he was stood at the front door would he? Let me put it like this, I don't think there should be anything named after somebody unless they're God level, even then, probably not, its a bad precedent Not because its not deserved, but because IMO its the equivalent of renaming mt Everest after your dinnerlady.

Yes please. Just maybe not the extra access, the last thing we need are more geared up super cops with the powers of yellow gloves, Null rods, and slime grenades combined.

In all seriousness though, I think the importance of certain players in game is very much overstated. They're good players, pretty decent at immursion too, and errybody loves them in OOC. And that's great, but their impact on the community as a whole isn't that big. Folks like Cuban Pete are mythical for doing things crashing the server with a game mechanic, Alice types are around all the time. I've only been playing SS13 for a year, and on this server alone I can name a half dozen young, female authority figures, with authority issues, who have an extensive backstory and classified security records, with plenty snowflakey (not necessarily in a bad way ) stuff thrown in, who've played for a while, made a bit of impact, gotten known, then promptly faded into the ether for whatever reason. Memetic characters like Alice are fun to have around, but they're not legends, really grinds my gears when the hero worship stage sets in :twisted:, Not in game either, OOC you get declarations of actual IRL love. Its just weird.

First we have special drinks, next there will be a statue... And before you know it, we're the Peirsonist People's Alicepublic of Cyberaid.

It either descends into team death match, or the heads on whichever side get killed off really early. It enables and encourages security to embrace their inner shittyness, every head to join with their inner comdom, and everyone else to indulge in their passion for greytide. Rev is the terribad gamemode every other terribad gamemode gets terribadly compared too. Its just a maelstrom of assholeness.

You have mid tier things too, last round I played, a budding comdom was trying to have half of research fired because one of them built and (shock, horror!) used a chem dispenser in R&D to help cure a virus outbreak... without explicit authorisation! The RD kinda was in the right (SoP and all) but it was very arguable, so he was told to go cry to IA about it. "not doing what you ought to be doing" should be under SoP really, but there should be something more than there currently is in space law to discourage bad behaviour, that isn't just "your head decided they don't like you, hand over your ID".

I can't be the only one who instantly customizes all their PDA settings at round start?