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*materializes a seal in the two offenders and manifests as a being of light, that, while unable to harm, can be harmed to the point of infinite, repeated deaths. It is fairly easy to silence, but not wholly get rid of said being with minimal repercussions aside from the wrath of endless commentary and the occasional bark of a seal from your sternum*

So you want me to come back as well?

First Bryce, now Seda, the hell am I going to speak to? A chair?

Welcome back scumbag!

Why do you people keep making me feel like I should write one of these... and a crew record... nah I'll stick to relaying my story in-game... you on the other hand, forgot to mention your ability to pull all manner of musical instruments from your robotic ass.

Actually Gibson... that's a really good idea now that you mention it. It'd be easier to track than the player complaints section, but it'd need to have a similar menu to admin notes so we could dispute what was and wasn't a legitimate complaint. The base idea of it however, would be a lot more helpful in my opinion.

What you have, Gibson, is a brilliant idea. A case by case basis would let us short out the griefers from those who genuinely wanted a character with a name that could be taken as phallic. While I have no problem personally with your idea, there's an issue with it all. It's incredibly hard to enforce. We want to monitor things, however there are times when we're too busy to do this. End-round when admins are juggling ahelps is no time to carefully watch a specific character, and we need all the admins we can get to watch out for rules 4 and 7, the rules which, personally, I've seen broken the most. It's impractical to try and watch over one person while you have to monitor everybody else as well, in addition to some players not even ahelping about issues that could lead to us stopping a griefer before they do any serious damage. It's a brilliant idea, but it's also a difficult one to practice. We don't have enough admins on consistently to watch over everybody with that sort of name, and even if we did, we can't all focus on that aspect without sacrificing focus on potentially round-ending affects. In short, good on paper, not in practice.

You're right about the bias, but the majority of the issues we have with each other are discussed internally, as they are personal matters more often than not. In regards to opinions, we discuss the matters over the administrator staff chat thoroughly, and on multiple occasions I've seen player opinions in the staff chat, some for and against matters. Not only do we debate on the forums, but in the staff chat as well. Administrators will most likely support the opinions of one another, due to the trust that we give each other, and the friendships created with one another. This inevitably, leads to bias on most things that are not highly opinionated. However, most admins can say that they voted for the rules, not just for Bulma and Fox, but for anybody else picking a referential name.

Sorry! Meant I digress, was talking about abstaining instead of names.

That's the problem. It should be a flat yes or no. The act of abstaining implies that you're not voting, so why put a vote for that. I saw multiple occasions where both sides were claiming that the abstain side supported them. "They don't care so you should leave it in." Abstaining to me shows how many people are on the fence and still watching it... though commenting about how you abstain is sort of odd, unless it states your opinion on both sides. It's good to have somebody neutral on the issue talk about things rather than text walls from each side like it usually is, which, of course I'm guilty of making. As long as it isn't just an "I abstained" post, then it should be fairly useful data. But we digress, we're here to discuss rule 9.

Monkeysfist, the poll shown tallied the total votes, as you could tick the boxes and mark multiple choices, as shown in the image. Thirty four seperate admins did not vote. Nobody stated "Do you want to ruin fun" in any context to my knowledge. If they have, please display a quote. The vulpakin vote should have had a yes, no, or abstain option as with other votes, although the "too early to discuss this" option, leaned towards leaving the race in longer to observe the results. Regardless, it should have been yes, no, or abstain As for the matter on player votes not meaning anything. I personally don't believe it's a complete autocracy, however the current consensus, at least that I've gathered, is that in the end the decision falls to administrator votes.

The majority of it boils down to personal preference. Whether or not it appeals to you or it doesn't. While I can say that I prefer having these names in, whether it's lack of care, not seeing any impact in regards to the name, or a mixture of both, I can't say. All I know is that I prefer the rule as it stands. A lot of issues could be helped by people ahelping, however I've seen time and time again that some people let thing slide rather than ahelp the issue they're having, letting the player get away with more, and generally allowing more rule-breaking to occur. If we haven't seen a name, we haven't noticed the name. Usually a constant stream of logs blots out most names, often leaving us with only minor insight as to what's going on at all times. Sure we could turn the logs off, but then we'd miss information about explosions, attacks, the singularity, and other issues that would affect the round in a large way. I get it, the names can be a major source of immersion killing, I've seen people stop interacting with characters before just because of it. Some people have knowledge of these characters, and from what's been said in this thread, it's apparent that it's both a mix of behavior and the name. Personally, I don't see how the name should affect what you think of the character or your disposition against them, but I can always be wrong about such things. If their behavior is an issue in-character, open a player complaint. As for what spacemanspark wrote. Ayyyy whoa, I'm not metagrudging anyone. And I don't believe IcyV is either. This was not directed at anybody, and I apologize if my tone suggested so. If I'm addressing specific people, I'll address them with their proper name and a response as such. In terms of Icy's posts. I see what you mean by getting people to act ridiculous with them, but I'm not entirely sure it's all or mostly due to the name. If Dread had developed the character as something other than Bulma with the same personality, I get the feeling that people would still act the same way around his character. Does that make it any better? No. However, that means it doesn't always have to do with the name. We have players who have popular characters without a reference name, for example Novus Lem or Jayson Hawke, and though they're used in events. People act differently around them, and they usually get more leeway due to their reputation and the personality preceding it. It's good to have humor every now and then, and from personal experience, I know they use it far more than just every now and then. I think the inspiration doesn't spring from the names, but more the popularity of the people with those names, and they actions they choose. People who want to have a popular character for those that think such things are "important" may try to mimic them to become more appealing to the populous. Their behaviors set an example, and right now, the example they're setting, in your opinion, is not correct. At least that's how I'm looking at it. As for surrealistik's post. We've discussed the issue of illegitimacy regarding votes here. viewtopic.php?f=48&t=4931 We couldn't accept it due to reddit drama, and we explained this thoroughly. The thread has since been locked due to the major derailing and violation of its intended purpose. The rule was As for the comment about population. This has also been discussed in the medborg 2.0 thread here. viewtopic.php?f=48&t=5037 Please, do not bring these issues into other topics, and instead discuss your issues with a head administrator or coder. I'm saying this because these two threads were shut down due to a long string of arguments over these two topics. Not to stop you from stating your opinion on the matter at hand. As for monkeyfist's reply. I'm well aware of this, as it was a purely administrative decision. The rule was voted on by the administrative team, and was met with resistance regarding the changes relating to fictional names of famous characters. Although it should have gone through community review. The head administrators have stated that it was purely meant for administrator discussion at the time the vote was created. Rule 9 was originally changed on an agreed vote from the administration team. Should you need clarification on any number of the topics I've discussed here, please reply stating the phrase that was unclear to you.

You appear to have mainly, if not only focused on Bulma, which I understand, has moments where they do become ridiculous, however, as far as complaints go. There have not been an overwhelming number of complaints relating to the issues stated within your post. The thing is, most of the time, rules are placed where most people have an issue with things, and in this case, from what the vote has shown, it's not an overwhelmingly majority that supports that change in the rules. Talking about recently is hard to do because of the rule change, it's become allowed, and therefore more of the names will pop up. However, in terms of my post, what are your issues with Fox's RP, as you stated your displeasure by saying that

I don't believe we have done VR before... but I've not been around for over a year and a half. Dave would have fun playing as Betty, turning Slade into a dog for disobeying his orders to dick with people, and then have people do his bidding to either escape or hack a mainframe by punching a gnome, radio, pitcher, and cinder block a whole bunch until they find the combination.

That sounds pretty damn cool, not sure how hard it'd be to code, but have VR laser and sword fights and crap, VR highlander and dodgeball things... that just sounds interesting to me. Have a virtual run through a syndicate outpost and fight some NPC syndies or pirates... and potentially emag the machine for a "you die in the game you die in real life" approach where they can't leave until they complete X objective or die trying.

Is there going to be a sombrero man with red hair and no backstory speaking spanish with a mexican accent now and then years later he'll talk about how it was Bryce all along? If not I'm going to be really disappointed. Otherwise I'll have to continually bring you up in commentary like the asshole I am.

Please keep in mind that we had a vote on the naming rules with this as a result. To my knowledge, I've not received a single ahelp about any names other than something such as hitler or anything along the lines of Hughe Jass and Dick Payne. If it appears immersion breaking, ahelp it or make a player complaint. My personal beliefs on the matter are that as long as they offer some decent RP and aren't overly annoying, drawing constant attention to their name, they're fine. For example I'm not fine with Groot players if they only say that one line "I am Groot!" and if I could I would warn people against it. Since people keep bringing up Bulma and Fox, I don't believe they make an excessive amount of either Dragonball or Starfox to any extent aside from their name. The roleplay is entirely unique. While it may not seem fair, names such as Dick Payne and Hughe Jass are fairly immature, and do not promote RP in most contexts, though I personally didn't mind them either. However, they are fairly immature choices for names. Yes, it's a game that makes no sense, yes there are areas where we accept immaturity or body part references (Submissive Steve anyone?) but aside from that, having a constant reference to dick pain is fairly odd, and for some people that can be said with fictional names as well. While we should have more immersion and RP, but we don't necessarily have to stomp over names in general. Feel free to have a realistic name, but having fifty Barack Obamas or Sarah Palins seems just as immersion breaking as fifty Groots. Names, as they stand, are in fairly good shape all things considered. We don't have repeat names, and we don't have people copying each other constantly. Those who choose fictional character names, have yet to become a massive in-game problem from the perspective of the majority of players I've seen. Whether this is a lack of ahelping, sharing opinion, or something else entirely remains to be seen. What I have seen, however, is unique and interesting RP between these characters and others, that does not involve their name other than statements and questions directed towards them. If Fox is genuinely doing things that scream "I am Fox McCloud, look at me, I have a famous name, hey ever played Starfox?" or Bulma is constantly referencing dragon ball in a way that screams " I am Bulma Briefs, I represent Capsule Corp (or whatever the corporation was) as X Ambassador of [insert facility here]" then the amount of ahelps about these incidents are incredibly low and should be ahelped more often. Having been on the past two days for about 7-10 hours each day, I can safely say that I have not seen a single occurrence of this on any referential character. The amount of complaining that people do on the forums in threads that are unrelated to these two characters, does not reflect the complaints in game or in the proper areas of this forum. Comparatively, we have received a large number of complaints in-game about names such as Hughe Jass and Dick Payne, claiming that their names were, in their opinion, immersion breaking during their experience with them. This has yet to be seen in such large amounts with the names Bulma Briefs, Fox McCloud, and even the people who decide to play Groots. If they genuinely act in a way that breaks immersion that has a direct correlation to and is caused by their name, ahelp it or make a player complaint. As I've said, we have already had a vote on the naming rules, and the majority of the administration voted against the body part and real life names. P.S: Do note that there is a difference between having a problem with the users and the characters, meta grudging is not tolerated.

Good lord, haven't seen you on the forums a while... then again I could be looking in the wrong place. PS, I have been.

In my opinion it's a placeholder fear of the Return of the Engiborg, where you woul be fighting one and then it immediately runs off and heals itself to max, then runs back in before you got a chance to catch a breath. Not to mention Welders and Cable are far far more common then patches and chems for organics. There's some nice buffs for them in the tube, Ponies is wanting them to be able to pop limbs back on for instance. I would support the OP, but I did hear about cybernetics... and who doesn't love shotgun legs? As for the bugs, orelbon, IPCs have some of the snowflakiest code. They're fairly hard to work with due to all the bugs prior to organ code and chem, and they'd need a lot of changes before we had them functioning at even a pre-organ code state. There's a load of other issues, and organ code isn't just the one, for example when IPCs took burn damage from wearing any EVA equipment, which has luckily been changed for a long time. As it stands, just wait for cybernetics, play a while, and then see if the self-repair is needed. As somebody who mains IPC, currently there really isn't time in combat to run off when two hits make your arm fly off, and where five direct hits to the head will kill you outright depending on the weapon. At this point, self-repair would be useful only to the point as to where you could fix the limb before it flew off, however, we should wait for cybernetics before discussing repair further as stated prior.

In light of that, changes. While the BoH in BoH is very rarely seen, it doesn't exactly have to remain the same. Could make it into a dimensional tear, much like the tear to the astral plane, although it loses the whole suck everybody in effect, it still creates a tear in reality and creates bluespace horrors. That or both the bag you had and the bag you put in are deleted, removing them and their contents from existence. Maybe a randomized effect utilizing the food, drink, mob, and paint slime cores. It doesn't absolutely have to change, so I'm not against nor for the possibility of a rework.

Actually that was a 3.0 change. AD&D and First Edition, attempting put any extra-dimensional spaces in each other had very bad and often destructive results. I think my wizard got a bit of mental trauma from a glimpse at the far realm... fukken mind flayers and beholders... Also, as we've said before, Singularity griefing is not commonplace, in-fact it's incredibly rare. This sort of grief requires high bluespace research, cooperative scientists and miners, miners that do their jobs, and competency. The singularity effect may be a reference, but it's a perfectly reasonable effect nonetheless. I could go on, but here's the full thread. viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4659&hilit=bag+of+holding If your reasoning is still the same, Surrealistik, discuss a change rather than how stupid the mechanic is. You've already said your part about that, and we've said ours. Quit derailing threads with "this is stupid" and keep them on track with "how can we make it not stupid". If you want it to change, you'll say how, and if you don't want it to change, you'll say why. Discussion over references and whether or not something has a use won't help us give it a use. Discussing what we should add to it to make it have a use should be your priority instead of arguing with opinions. If your idea is genuinely good, we'll see through the responses people give to it.

Awwww, Heretic, you had to break that streak? Come on man! I even gave them help and a bit of leeway!

Hello you glorious bastard.

Chaplain (simon Grey), began consuming the heretics who farted on his bible... this is what ensued...

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