TermedClepe2 Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Shadowlings are incapable of fighting back glowshrooms in a sensible manner, they grow too fast to clear. It takes a single botanist and a quick harvest to cover the entire station in endless glowshrooms, effectively countering shadowling as a round type. Even rushing botany roundstart was insufficient in countering glowshrooms, and I have to note it's absolutely ridiculous shadowlings need to rush botany to have at least glimmer of a hope. The rounds where you do not see shadowlings being totally removed due to glowshrooms are the rounds without botanists realizing the bullshit they have at their disposal. I would suggest removing glowshrooms effect on slings, or other kind of nerf. Edited May 22, 2017 by TermedClepe2 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driker Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 I personally don't feel like removing one of the rare things that functionally give shadowlings a reason to be stealthy is a good idea. Especially since shadowlings seem to win 9 out of 10 rounds. Shadowlings are nightmarish enough to stop once they get rolling as it is, without taking away one of the few real defenses against them. 2 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskeyfur Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 Glowshrooms and light panels really are the only way to control their growth, as even security, no matter how robust they are, can't catch a shadowling who decides to bail and go somewhere else. These light panels and glowshrooms are a /necessity/ to control their movement. Removing glowshrooms will give these shadowlings not just a 90% chance of victory but 99/100 I feel. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyBeans Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 It's a bit easier to deal with these when you know how. Shadowlings may be HURT from light, but they can tank the damage well enough to disable them when needed. Light tiles can be color swapped and shut off with a multi-tool, or dismantled one by one. Once one tile is down you can wait and heal before moving on to a new one. But besides that it's smart to get your thralls to do the dirty work for you while you, as a Sling, draw the attention of security to other places. Glowshrooms can be destroyed pretty easy with a scythe, welding tool or anything else that cuts. It does take a while to clear them, but, work together to clear one area and move to the next using the same strategy of misdirection. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TermedClepe2 Posted May 22, 2017 Author Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Scythe is not a glowshroom counter for shadowlings, the amount of hoops and access requirements to get is is ridiculous and even then you are unable to keep up with their spread. I'm pretty sure you guys do not understand the ease of glowshroom spam or the difficulty of dealing with it. Edited May 22, 2017 by TermedClepe2 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyBeans Posted May 22, 2017 Posted May 22, 2017 Mmmh, that's why I said: 13 minutes ago, GuiltyBeans said: a scythe, welding tool or anything else that cuts. The main thing is communication and teamwork. Don't thrall someone and flee instantly without telling them a plan. Make a plan before hatching. But.. Yes. I do have to say, don't think glowshrooms should be taken out. The light the produce could be decreased some.. Making it light enough to see but not as bright as what a PDA light might be. And growth time could be lengthened.. But even then a good botanist could modify it to make them grow faster. Which is why you see glowshrooms that expand rapidly. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fethas Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 the Veil ability already kills glowshrooms. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 The few rounds I've worked as sec and successfully "won" against shadowlings were the rounds where genetics discovered Xray early. Glowshrooms are a nuisance at best. "I ded nerf dis" 4 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazbot194 Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Not to mention that whenever glow shrooms spread as of late, CC makes it the crew's job to remove the glow shrooms. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuiltyBeans Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Usually they only tell the crew to do that when the shrooms start to enter the main halls/departments. Also I didn't know that Veil makes the shrooms not work. Thought it was like flares and fire; natural light that doesn't dim or turn off like powered lighting. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyiko Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, TermedClepe2 said: Shadowlings are incapable of fighting back glowshrooms in a sensible manner, they grow too fast to clear. It takes a single botanist and a quick harvest to cover the entire station in endless glowshrooms, effectively countering shadowling as a round type. Even rushing botany roundstart was insufficient in countering glowshrooms, and I have to note it's absolutely ridiculous shadowlings need to rush botany to have at least glimmer of a hope. The rounds where you do not see shadowlings being totally removed due to glowshrooms are the rounds without botanists realizing the bullshit they have at their disposal. I would suggest removing glowshrooms effect on slings, or other kind of nerf. You guys didn't do ANYTHING to botany. The thralls failed, they did the equivalent of switching off the lights and laughing evilly. The glowshrooms were already planted in a tray, they needed to get the tray but instead just turned the lights off and ran off with a vending machine. If one person had of run in with the pest spray, that was GG for the shrooms. They also take a very long time to grow. Edited May 23, 2017 by Cyiko 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik Posted May 23, 2017 Posted May 23, 2017 Shadowlings, like Xenomorphs, ( Revolution too if your command ) are one of the antags that really instill a sense of doom and despair ( Id argue fear as well ) once they get started. Because, if they are able to get established in the slightest they are nigh unstoppable. That being said, nerfing a mechanic that helps the crew, which is counterable, is a bad idea. Id also like to add, from the rounds I have seen, shadowlings win 7-8/10 times. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TermedClepe2 Posted May 29, 2017 Author Posted May 29, 2017 Someone had a brilliant idea: Make shadowling veil ability corrupt glowshrooms into shadowshrooms that would slowly take over the glowshrooms. This way both sides can get a taste of the tedium that is removal of spreading plants. 3 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malphystoh Posted May 29, 2017 Posted May 29, 2017 Oh hey that was me 3 minutes ago, TermedClepe2 said: Someone had a brilliant idea: Make shadowling veil ability corrupt glowshrooms into shadowshrooms that would slowly take over the glowshrooms. This way both sides can get a taste of the tedium that is removal of spreading plants. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazbot194 Posted May 29, 2017 Posted May 29, 2017 20 hours ago, TermedClepe2 said: Someone had a brilliant idea: Make shadowling veil ability corrupt glowshrooms into shadowshrooms that would slowly take over the glowshrooms. This way both sides can get a taste of the tedium that is removal of spreading plants. I like the idea of that, but maybe make it it's own ability rather then making the veil even more powerful. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driker Posted May 30, 2017 Posted May 30, 2017 On 5/28/2017 at 9:51 PM, TermedClepe2 said: Someone had a brilliant idea: Make shadowling veil ability corrupt glowshrooms into shadowshrooms that would slowly take over the glowshrooms. This way both sides can get a taste of the tedium that is removal of spreading plants. Again, this seems like an unneeded buff for the shadowing against an already extremely limited amount of mechanics that can fight them. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malphystoh Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 It adds more flavor. More possibility for ebb and flow. Its a good compromise. On 5/30/2017 at 9:05 AM, Driker said: Again, this seems like an unneeded buff for the shadowing against an already extremely limited amount of mechanics that can fight them. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monstrant Posted May 31, 2017 Posted May 31, 2017 On 23.05.2017 at 3:25 AM, Fethas said: the Veil ability already kills glowshrooms. i think thats all we need to know. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10391-glowshrooms-and-shadowlings-dont-work-at-all/#findComment-86605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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