Xantholne Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 Readd Vox leap Remove stun or set grab to be basic grab Remove Space proofness from Vox in return for balance It'll be great I swear. Kill two birbs with one stone. Vox get leap again with some nerfs, and they're no longer spaceproof 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
necaladun Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 This is insane and there's no way it would ev.. 19 minutes ago, Xantholne said: Remove Space proofness from Vox in return for balance ...huh. Now I'm interested. Still not sure exactly how it would balance out, it'd really depend on how the leap works. I'd say leap needs limited range, no stun, decent cooldown, nothing more than a basic grab...and which point I'm not seeing it as hugely useful. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-87953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazbot194 Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 My only concern is that they would be a little to underpowered without their space proofing since they have been balanced around that so far, but I haven't really seen the leap so I can't say absolutely. Plus even if they were, we could find otherways to buff them, if its needed of course. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-87954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xantholne Posted June 19, 2017 Author Posted June 19, 2017 It'd be good for closing down on people or escaping by leaping to another person and makes it so they can't sit in a zero pressure enviroment without a suit for absolutely no reason after doing objectives. Could be a hand grab after leaping which could make it useful for leaping, stunning, and finishing with an aggro grab. Cooldown wise It'd have to be 30s-1m imo. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-87955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyiko Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 (edited) A longer cooldown genetics leap :V That way we can jump around for the sake of jumping around. Edited June 19, 2017 by Cyiko Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-87971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 This is kind of worse than the initial issue, as vox just fly around the station nigh unstoppable. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Dman234 Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 I'm with Spark on this one, I will never be for adding old species abilities. All of them were so, so, broken in multiple ways, especially Vox. People like to complain about them now, but back when they had magclaws AND the leap none of them ever bothered leaving the station they were so vastly superior on the ground. *shudder* Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted June 19, 2017 Posted June 19, 2017 Imagine that, people used to abuse racial abilities and they had to be removed. Keep abusing stuff folks lol Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driker Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 On 6/19/2017 at 0:22 AM, shazbot194 said: I haven't really seen the leap so I can't say absolutely. Basically it was a target lock, max range instant leap that put you into aggressive hold automatically. The main reason that vox would stay on station back then instead of going into space, was because of the secret about the leap that everyone tried to keep under wraps. If vox attempted to use the leap on you in space, not only would it automatically fail, but the vox would then go flying past you, and off into space. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 Id prefer a balanced version of the leap to be in rather than being space proof, but that's just my opinion. It really depends on how much nerfs would be required to the leap to make it considered balanced in the first place, and would it still be worth it at that point? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamon Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 always wondered, how was vox spaceproof explained IC'ly? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xantholne Posted June 20, 2017 Author Posted June 20, 2017 They where explained as space resistant, but mechnically it turned into space 'proof' Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Xantholne said: They where explained as space resistant, but mechnically it turned into space 'proof' "Spess is goods, yaya" Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enginseer-42 Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 To be fair. Human skin is space resistant. You don't just instantly die in space. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamon Posted June 20, 2017 Posted June 20, 2017 Indeed, and i dont thin pigeon will end up well if you throw him out of airlock Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) On 2017-06-20 at 2:14 AM, McRamon said: always wondered, how was vox spaceproof explained IC'ly? "Primalis talons are often cited as being unusually hard, and are often equated with having twice the strength of human bone. While not entirely true, the hardness of the skin on their upper arms and lower legs (along with their talons and the rest of their body) is often attributed to being one of the primary factors in both the survivability and pressure resistance in Primalis Vox." https://nanotrasen.se/wiki/index.php/Vox#Vox_Physiology Basically they're overly leathery raptor/bird things. Edited June 22, 2017 by Shadeykins Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urlance Woolsbane Posted June 22, 2017 Posted June 22, 2017 17 hours ago, Shadeykins said: "Primalis talons are often cited as being unusually hard, and are often equated with having twice the strength of human bone. While not entirely true, the hardness of the skin on their upper arms and lower legs (along with their talons and the rest of their body) is often attributed to being one of the primary factors in both the survivability and pressure resistance in Primalis Vox." https://nanotrasen.se/wiki/index.php/Vox#Vox_Physiology Basically they're overly leathery raptor/bird things. There's also this: Quote They appear to have an almost robotic control over their scales and are able to lock them so tightly together that they form a protective 'space suit', allowing them to walk comfortably in zero pressure environments. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 13 hours ago, Urlance Woolsbane said: There's also this: Bay lore != Paradise lore. If you read the rest of Baylore, Vox are basically fantastical magic bird men - there's a reason that section was removed. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urlance Woolsbane Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, Shadeykins said: Bay lore != Paradise lore. If you read the rest of Baylore, Vox are basically fantastical magic bird men - there's a reason that section was removed. Quite true, and I'm well aware of that. I just thought it merited a mention, seeing as it was the original justification. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xantholne Posted June 24, 2017 Author Posted June 24, 2017 I'd rather just call them Raptors Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-88462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allfd Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 I missed this..... #Voxleap2017! Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-90173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 On 6/20/2017 at 9:45 AM, Enginseer-42 said: To be fair. Human skin is space resistant. You don't just instantly die in space. Are we talking real life or SS13 life? Because in real life, you are passed out in 15-30 seconds, and dead in under a minute, even WITH oxygen being pushed into your lungs. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-90269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xantholne Posted July 11, 2017 Author Posted July 11, 2017 Well the funny thing about in real life even is the sudden pressure change is so drastic without a suit that your lungs would literally explode almost instnatly, causing major blood loss, and many bones would break as well very quickly. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-90301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SideCat Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Space proof must be turned into space resistance, like make less damage from zero pressure. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-90325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumiluntti Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 This would remove one of the defining aspects of the race and adding something that has little use outside being an annoying twat Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10624-vox-leap/#findComment-90334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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