TermedClepe2 Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) In here I'll try to list all the items and machinery that are commonly used during rounds yet are irreplaceable (in their function) by building/ordering, please add more if you know of any. Hopefully someone will try and implement methods of introducing new ones into the round. Dropper Rapid Crate Sender All-In-One Grinder Food Processor Cream Master Deluxe Rolling pin Splints Edited June 23, 2017 by TermedClepe2 3 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Keep these coming. I actually have it as a project to try to resolve this. Another on my mind is the: Water cooler. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) From your post, I just put up a PR up to add the Rolling Pin to the kitchen Equipment cargo crate - https://github.com/ParadiseSS13/Paradise/pull/7614 Find a spriter to sprite us up some shoddy splint sprites. Probably requiring metal rods and... duct tape? https://github.com/ParadiseSS13/Paradise/pull/7609 is on Github right now which makes them break after 2000 steps... with this new mechanic implemented, it'd be easy for us to add some shoddy splints with only 1000 steps before breaking. Also a sprite for 'used splints' would be sweet, for when these things to pop off... wouldn't need to be different from shoddy or non-shoddy. Just a used up looking one. Edited June 23, 2017 by Purpose2 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88361 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TermedClepe2 Posted June 23, 2017 Author Posted June 23, 2017 Speaking of duct tape, both it and regular package wrappers are only obtainable 1 roll per cargo crate: from Bureaucracy Crate and from Arts&Crafts Crate respectively. I had to look this up in source code just now and I'm a cargo regular. Either autolathe or biogenerator could be able to replenish them if they are going to have a more popular use. Rolling pin could be crafted using a knife and wood, both available near chefs workplace. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Autolathe for duct tape creation as well as dropper creation? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyet Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 I don't think I ever made my department management console boards buildable. So you may be able to add those to the list. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 Not everything needs to be reproducible. There's a lot of things that are intentionally limited for balance purposes or to generate artificial scarcity/value to them. As a general rule of thumb, I'd say most station structures should be replaceable or there should be a substitute.Some things also should never be replaceable, but should probably be fixable (ie: there never needs to be multiple gravity generators). We also have to be careful how we make some things replaceable; just adding things, blindly, to one area can add additional power to departments that may not need it (I don't think giving autolathes the ability to print replacement bandages would be a good thing). There's multiple methods to tackling this problem, but not all are necessarily good ones (ie: lockboxes are a terrible method). Likewise, sometimes substitution for similar devices/objects is just as desirable (chemistry's ability to make patches doesn't really necessitate the need for producing more biopacks). A good example of something that requires little thought on replacing: chem master An example of something that requires more than just blindly adding: telebaton Also, just because something is straight-forward in replacing, conceptually, doesn't mean it's easy, code wise; a chem master is straight forward, conceptually, to replace, but actually implementing it, code wise, would be quite troublesome Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 @Fox McCloud absolutely - all the proposed things above make sense to be producible though. I don't think anyone would ever advocate for more things like gravity generators or telebatons. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 5 hours ago, Purpose2 said: Another on my mind is the: Water cooler. If you made watercoolers a deconstructable I'd love you forever. Pretty sure the only way to get rid of them currently is with explosives. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ZN23X said: If you made watercoolers a deconstructable I'd love you forever. Pretty sure the only way to get rid of them currently is with explosives. Do they need to be constructible? I could just make them wrenchable / movable? I'm already skeptical about creating things that come with reagents in them like the water-cooler does. Another example being the welding tools get autolathed full of fuel somehow. Edited June 23, 2017 by Purpose2 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 @Purpose2 Wrenchable and movable would do the trick. Anyone who's tried tricking out escape bay knows my pain ??? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 @ZN23X - on Github: https://github.com/ParadiseSS13/Paradise/pull/7622 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TermedClepe2 Posted June 23, 2017 Author Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, Purpose2 said: Autolathe for duct tape creation as well as dropper creation? Dropper in autolathe seems logical. Pipettes could also be added since they are exactly like droppers just limited to 1u transfers. I would also go with duct tape in autolathe but I bet someone will argue in favor if biogenerator instead. Since you're making the water cooler movable: sinks, showers and toilets could also be made movable to further allow redecorating. I've seen a crate on one server that had bathroom appliances (sink/shower/toilet), there weren't any balance related issue with it unless water supply is considered - but chem dispensers already create water out of energy so a simplistic device used for these wouldn't be that far fetched and make sense thematically. Edited June 23, 2017 by TermedClepe2 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teyren Posted June 26, 2017 Posted June 26, 2017 @Fox McCloud Would Black Gloves be one of those items intentionally kept scarce? One thing I'd like would be if Black Gloves were added to the Firefighting Crate, as burning objects cannot be picked up with bare hands. Though would it really break intended scarcity if Cargo is able to pass out Insulated Gloves like candy? Maybe add into SoP that black gloves shouldn't be given for non-departmental reasons, just like insulated gloves? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) Black gloves should be scarce similar to Insulated, due to their ability to hide prints, aka why you can't just have them in loadouts etc. But, it makes sense to be able to order them somehow. Is the firefighting crate the right place? I'm not certain. edit: Also I just put up a PR enabling those to be printed now, @tzo - so thats more we can tick off the list. Edited June 27, 2017 by Purpose2 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capsandi Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Purpose2 said: Black gloves should be scarce similar to Insulated, due to their ability to hide prints, aka why you can't just have them in loadouts etc. But, it makes sense to be able to order them somehow. Is the firefighting crate the right place? I'm not certain. edit: Also I just put up a PR enabling those to be printed now, @tzo - so thats more we can tick off the list. Both fingerless gloves and black gloves are able to be made via rolls of cloth that I've only been able to obtain at biogenorators. Duffelbags are also made this way. Edited June 27, 2017 by Capsandi Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProperPants Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Welding goggles aren't replaceable, as far as I know. They should probably be in the autolathe for the exact same cost as welding helmets. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
willior13 Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 I would say that they should be a bit more expensive, not by much, but by a bit because they are really useful and sought after. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-88818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted July 1, 2017 Posted July 1, 2017 (edited) I've believed the spray bottles should be producible in a lathe... but it fucks with chemistry a bit and presents a real problem. Honestly, the potent chems should eat right through the plastic if you tried. Like CIF3, Flurosurfactant, things like that. These are items that should be in a beaker and still usable. Perhaps higher in the R&D tree, you could have a chemically resistant spray bottle? Smaller reservoir, but can hold anything.... oh god imagine if they had [noreact].... *shudders Edited July 1, 2017 by Anticept Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-89058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xantholne Posted July 1, 2017 Posted July 1, 2017 I was actually going to make a PR addng Rapid Crate Senders into the cargo console requring some 20-30 points for 2 more RCS' There's only 2 round start and one the QM can only access but miners sometimes take because reasons and if you cryo with one or it gets loss, stolen etc you're SOL when Security orders 30 hecking crates because Security wants dem guns and armor 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-89076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumiluntti Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 Spraybottles are robust as fuck, even when filled with only water. Please don't consider making them latheable so every civilian and cunt-turd can have one Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-89319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TermedClepe2 Posted July 3, 2017 Author Posted July 3, 2017 20 hours ago, Rumiluntti said: Spraybottles are robust as fuck, even when filled with only water. Please don't consider making them latheable so every civilian and cunt-turd can have one I haven't included them in the list because everyone can already make spraybottles at roundstart using the biogenerator at arrivals hydroponics. Maint is also filled with them. The more you know. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-89407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumiluntti Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Biogenerator takes minimal effort, enough to not make them the greytider slip'o'matic of choise. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-89408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 (edited) Spray Bottles are indeed pretty robust, but they are goddamn unbelievably useful too for more than just water. I really wish I had an answer for sprayables. It's that they are so damn robust and useful that they are rare... but it's kind of a pain that they ARE rare too when you could really use them for a mess. If soap didn't take so unbelievably long to clean a tile, that'd be nice. I never really messed too much with the biogenerator, didn't notice they made spray bottles. Edited July 3, 2017 by Anticept Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-89499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TermedClepe2 Posted July 5, 2017 Author Posted July 5, 2017 Seems that they no longer make spray bottles but regular bottles because whoever is responsible for nu-botany hates fun. :^) Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10665-list-of-irreplaceble-itemsmachinery-on-station/#findComment-89656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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