Mitchs98 Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 So I mean. The blood changes are cool and all, sure. I like them. More bleeding out means medical has to actually get off their ass and be competent. Thing is...for that to happen you now have to bandage EVERY single damaged area even with a health analyzer upgrade. It's a waste of time, resources, and generally just makes things shittier. I have no idea why this was changed so it doesn't show up with an ADVANCED health analyzer, but it makes no sense. If a health analyzer can tell a person nearly everything save for internal damages and a few diseases, why wouldn't it be able to locate a bleeding wound on someone? Please fix it back to save everyone a bunch of headache...as it makes no sense as to why it was removed in the first place. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 This isn't a loss of functionality actually, just a small oversight. I believe the issue is because you can still be bleeding despite the damage being healed, the health analyzer just hasn't been updated to pinpoint areas which are bleeding. I could be totally out to lunch though. @Fox McCloud Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-90958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) I actually experienced a problem today where I stopped all the patient's bleeding (including internal) but my analyzer was still registering that they were bleeding. Advanced body scanner didn't show bleeding, only the handheld. Edited July 18, 2017 by ZN23X Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-90962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchs98 Posted July 18, 2017 Author Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Shadeykins said: This isn't a loss of functionality actually, just a small oversight. I believe the issue is because you can still be bleeding despite the damage being healed, the health analyzer just hasn't been updated to pinpoint areas which are bleeding. I could be totally out to lunch though. @Fox McCloud Thing is I've used the analyzer on a dude I just cut open in surgery. All it says is they're bleeding, not where. It's more broken than anything...and is a loss of functionality. Should be re-added to the game ASAP. There's no need to make medicals' job harder than it already is, every other code base I know of has it. Edited July 18, 2017 by Mitchs98 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-90968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) So there's a little bit of confusion in regards to bleeding. As part of the blood refactor, the MOB ITSELF bleeds. It's not centered on any one particular organ. Just hit them with gauze for a temporarily stopping the bleeding. The handheld will still say they are bleeding, but if you examine, it says they are bandaged with something. When you've healed them enough, the bleeding will stop. The gauze will fall off on its own in time, whether or not you've healed them. If they still haven't been healed, you need to apply new gauze because they will bleed again. At the moment, I would not trust health analyzers and bleeding, except where internally bleeding. Edited July 18, 2017 by Anticept Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-90969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchs98 Posted July 18, 2017 Author Posted July 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Anticept said: So there's a little bit of confusion in regards to bleeding. As part of the blood refactor, the MOB ITSELF bleeds. It's not centered on any one particular organ. Just hit them with gauze for a temporarily stopping the bleeding. The handheld will still say they are bleeding, but if you examine, it says they are bandaged with something. When you've healed them enough, the bleeding will stop. The gauze will fall off on its own in time, whether or not you've healed them. If they still haven't been healed, you need to apply new gauze because they will bleed again. At the moment, I would not trust health analyzers and bleeding, except where internally bleeding. Don't you have to bandage a certain area? Or no? I'm referring to limbs and such bleeding by the way, not organs...unless limbs are considered organs. I'm confused here. I bandaged myself a few rounds ago where I ASSUMED I was bleeding and continued to bleed. Makes little sense ._. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-90971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) I just gauze the chest. Thanks for asking, forgot to mention that. Worked every time. As said, examine yourself after gauze. If it says they were bandaged instead of "They are bleeding!" then you've stemmed it for the time being. Edited July 18, 2017 by Anticept Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-90972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 (edited) @Anticept question regarding the "gauze thier chest" thing. Does this stop the bleeding on thier whole body even if multiple limbs are classified as bleeding? Asking cuz I've been able to gauze multiple bleeding limbs without it giving me the "this has already been bandaged" message. I'll verify with the examine technique if you are unsure. Edited July 18, 2017 by ZN23X Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-90974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted July 18, 2017 Posted July 18, 2017 You should only have to apply it once. I'll test. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-90975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buford Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 Yea I've had the same problems with this. It should be fixed ASAP. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-90983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted July 19, 2017 Posted July 19, 2017 Report issues on the Github please. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-90994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 The health analyzer will report if they're bleeding regardless of their bandages status; this is so you know if they have heparin in them or if you've lowered the threshold below what is required to stop the bleeding to begin with. If the health analyzer says they're bleeding, ti means you haven't addressed the underlying brute damage or they have/had heparin in them and it hasn't clotted yet. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-91095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 15 hours ago, Fox McCloud said: The health analyzer will report if they're bleeding regardless of their bandages status; this is so you know if they have heparin in them or if you've lowered the threshold below what is required to stop the bleeding to begin with. If the health analyzer says they're bleeding, ti means you haven't addressed the underlying brute damage or they have/had heparin in them and it hasn't clotted yet. Under the current system you can treat all of someone's brute damage and they'll still be bleeding. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-91128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anticept Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) Tests complete. Stabbed myself in the legs and feet a bunch of times (and somehow mishandled the fork and poked myself in the head too), applied gauze to right hand, bleeding stopped. So where you apply gauze does not matter. I have not been able to duplicate the issue regarding someone being fully healed and still bleeding. Sounds like an annoying little bug that's gonna be a bitch to track down, because I'm still getting complaints about it. I also can't seem to duplicate the issue with gauze NOT working. Edited July 20, 2017 by Anticept 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-91129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted July 21, 2017 Posted July 21, 2017 6 hours ago, Anticept said: Tests complete. Stabbed myself in the legs and feet a bunch of times (and somehow mishandled the fork and poked myself in the head too), applied gauze to right hand, bleeding stopped. So where you apply gauze does not matter. I have not been able to duplicate the issue regarding someone being fully healed and still bleeding. Sounds like an annoying little bug that's gonna be a bitch to track down, because I'm still getting complaints about it. I also can't seem to duplicate the issue with gauze NOT working. Use Styptic Powder. The issue arises is when you use chems to heal the brute damage, at which point a health analyzer reports you as still bleeding (as does examination) despite you no longer having injuries. Furthermore, I have had a few times (both pre and post refactor) wherein I was unable to stop bleeding after it had been healed with styptic powder by using a trauma kit/gauze. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/10964-fix-the-health-analyzer/#findComment-91148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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