The Staff Has No Clue

[oblivionsbane]

Like, you guys are crazy. Have any of you /ever/ been a moderator or admin on any other RP medium? I mean you guys act like IC is OOC, period, and if I do something that goes against Nanotransen whatever, or the "Space Laws" without being an antagonist, I should get banned! You don't let the security handle it, why would you? I mean you can ban people so why not? Right? No, that isn't how you should handle things. Yeah, I tried to burn two people who were SSD in the incinerator, one of them woke up and arrested me. Then I was trying to suicide, because I have spent 2 hour long rounds in a brig before. (I was a mime, and this woman wouldn't get out of my office.) You guys need to know and do /your job/ as a moderator, not just throw around your powers making the server what you want it to be during a round. I mean, I got banned for that for like 3 hours, big whoop. The thing is I have been banned on other things, for instance an admin on another game was literally on her period and told me to shut up or she would ban me, because I was trying to help her with something. I said "Hey, chill" and got banned. I consider that a more deserving ban than this, oh I got unbanned of course for that. I mean I have been threatened before because I am beating a guy to death because he is beating a girl my dude liked, he literally beat her to death in front of me, and I almost get in trouble for it. I mean, you guys are the most uptight moderators I have /ever/ seen outside of a british server I was on, on another game, because we all know how those brits are. (Watch this be a british server...) Is there some thing I am missing where everyone on this station has a neural implant to make them follow the laws? Because that is what you make it sound like. You can say that a normal person wouldn't do that, but honestly with all the goofy stuff that happens on the server you guys need to figure out you can't go from making pine trees kill everyone on a station to banning people for beating other people up when they are killing people. What I am saying is get your shit straight. I know how big of a bunch admins panties get into when someone calls them out, but it doesn't matter, ban me more if you, ban me permanently, please, prove my point, make me a martyr.

[oblivionsbane]

 

Excuse me, /week/ long ban for that, thought it was 10000 seconds but it was minutes. You guys are just... Wow, lol. Good luck with future endeavors guys, you're gonna need it.

 

EDIT: I actually take that back, that was out of line, this message at least. Really though, why are you guys sooo strict with how things go?

 

[IcyV]

 

and if I do something that goes against Nanotransen whatever, or the "Space Laws" without being an antagonist, I should get banned!

 

Personally I feel this part is clearly outlined. While you are obviously free to break laws within a reasonable expectation, there is a limit. As you say, you did try to burn multiple SSDs which should be clearly and obviously wrong. It is plainly against the rules and I don't see what the issue there is.

 

I mean you can ban people so why not? Right? No, that isn't how you should handle things.

 

We have never and don't plan on tolerating admins abusing bans to get rid of people they dislike without any reason. An admin is held to high standards and any such action is brought heavily under question.

 

You guys need to know and do /your job/ as a moderator, not just throw around your powers making the server what you want it to be during a round.

 

We are admins not just moderators. While we let players decide how they want to play, within our rules obviously, this will not restrict us from adding flair or special events to a round as it goes on.

 

I mean I have been threatened before because I am beating a guy to death because he is beating a girl my dude liked, he literally beat her to death in front of me, and I almost get in trouble for it.

 

Without context this is somewhat hard to judge on. Beating someone to death is always a serious matter if it isn't an antagonist objective or self defense. In most cases this would either be a matter for security to handle or something for us to look into. I'm not sure what you mean by almost got into trouble, but we are obligated to at least look into the situation when we have a chance.

 

(Watch this be a british server...)

 

Swedish host with staff coming from all over the world.

 

It's hard to give more accurate judging and responses as your statements are fairly general. If you get more specific reasoning I'm entirely happy to help our or explain why we do certain things.

 

[oblivionsbane]

I guess I understand, I am just use to a lot more freedom with what you want to do. I could go on, but the only thing at this point is I am banned for a week for trying to burn the SSD's. You never answered my question about why I was banned though, as I didn't actually burn anyone, I tried to and got caught by security. That just seems very excessive to me, because I see what I did as a very small deal. The results thereof has I succeeded is that one of those SSD's probably would have never came back and been bored because they were an assistant anyways. The other one was security that just happened to wake up and had I burned him, then what? He respawns as an NPC or ghosts and maybe wonders why he was killed like that and feels stupid because he went SSD. That's just one round though, I could see a week long ban if I randomly released the singo for fun, and it literally ruined a round for everyone, but I did next to nothing, in my mind. I mean, I thought 3 hours, which I originally thought the ban was for, was almost fair to a little excessive, a day ban being the most that would make sense, then bigger bans coming if I did anything else. Also what I mean by almost got in trouble or whatever is that I had an admin questioning me about killing the guy, and at the end said he was only giving advice and not a warning.

[DeletedUser]

 

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Pay special attention to the rules 6 and 7.

 

If you don't like how things are handled here, you have plenty of other servers to play on. I'm sure the admins will let you burn SSD people as "assistant shenanigans".

 

[oblivionsbane]

 

Okay, /now/ I know those rules exist. I gotta admit though, that is some pretty bad administrative attitude. You just tell the person if they don't like it, leave the server. You need to improve your attitude dude, it's pretty bad. You didn't even try to see if I understood, or bother working with me like the other admin did, which shows to me least that you are lazy. I have played with you in engineering and even IC you can come off apprehensive and sometimes even entitled. Honestly now knowing who you are this makes much more sense. So... Can I talk to that other admin who was actually trying to work with me? He seemed much more... Helpful. Although if you still want to help you can always go ahead and give me a couple suggestions for other servers, since you are so quick to push people away, you must know a few by now. Also, I have no idea what SSD means, I figure it is something akin to braindead, so. One final thing about what you said. You do realize in the captains quarters there is a laser that is made of assistant leather? Assistants are just kind of like the unorganized cannon fodder in my mind. Assistant shenanigans makes a lot of sense in my mind.

 

Also you should rewrite that rule, because meta'ing isn't dragging someone who is SSD(Again, in my mind braindead) to an incinerator. Meta'ing by definition is using information you have obtained or know OOC to your advantage IC. In this case, seeing a person lying on the ground with drool coming out of the edge of their mouth and dragging them off isn't meta'ing at all, it's actually completely IC, as much as dragging someone who is knocked out or stunned.

 

I also want you to look /really/ close at the response that admin up there (me actually understanding) versus what you just got. He was thorough and helpful, you threw rules broken out and some kinda condescending blunder telling me to F off.

 

[IcyV]

 

I could go on, but the only thing at this point is I am banned for a week for trying to burn the SSD's. You never answered my question about why I was banned though, as I didn't actually burn anyone, I tried to and got caught by security. That just seems very excessive to me, because I see what I did as a very small deal.

 

I agree with you on that being excessive. I personally take the stance of warning and teaching players before jumping to bans. Nor should bans come before someone has actually broken the rules unless they express the intent to break them no matter what. I don't know the events behind this instance at the least though.

 

Also, I have no idea what SSD means

 

SSD stands for Sudden Sleep Disorder commonly referring to those that are disconnected from the game. We have rules against messing with them because for all we know its just a 30 second sudden crash and we wouldn't want rounds ruined for such a small thing. Braindead is for those who have ghosted from their body and are open targets otherwise.

 

You do realize in the captains quarters there is a laser that is made of assistant leather? Assistants are just kind of like the unorganized cannon fodder in my mind. Assistant shenanigans makes a lot of sense in my mind.

 

We do try to crack down somewhat on assistants here. While they do have a lot of liberty in what they can do, the full rules still apply to them in all cases. They can be annoyances, helpful, whatever they want as long as they don't go too far.

 

meta'ing isn't dragging someone who is SSD

 

You are correct there. There are just some other issues relating to burning non-dead bodies in the incinerator, but that's another matter.

 

[necaladun]

 

I'm not sure which admin this is a complaint about, but if it's all of us and the general idea that enforcing non-antagging and excessive violence rules is a problem, then I agree with Adr - this isn't the server for you.

 

There are a lot of SS13 servers run in different ways, and if you wish one in which everyone is allowed to act as an antag, I recommend another. Griefstation is the obvious extreme example there.

 

Our rules aren't everyones ideal play style, and thats ok.

 

[oblivionsbane]

Nono, actually I get why I was banned now completely. I will just post an appeal now that I actually understand. I am not mad at all the staff although I will say I don't care for the way the one who banned me handled it.

[ZomgPonies]

I see a lot of self-entitlement and accusations of incompetence in this thread, all stemming from the fact that the plaintiff in question didn't take the time to read the rules. I hope this thread encourages others to make sure their complaint is justified before throwing wild accusations around.