Streaky Haddock Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 EMP shielding. A damage type that is easily obtained but can't be defended against is deeply frustrating. I know that EMP vulnerability are an intended drawback to races such as IPC (which already receive 50% more brute/burn damage) and Vox (which already receives 120% brute damage). I know that there are a lot of things that IPCs are fortunate enough not to have to deal with like breathing, toxins, viruses etc but allowing players the CHOICE of protecting against physical or protecting against EMP is better than hearing peopel say 'oh great the HoS is an IPC' or, as blueshield, having your IPC CE explicitly request an organic bodyguard instead of yourself. Please at least give me the CHOICE to not get killed in one hit through walls. PLEASE. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazneria12 Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 So your saying More IPC variation? where one can choose to have some EMP defenses, but would sacrafise some brute/burn protection in its stead? I kinda like an idea like that. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biabri Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) But you can revive IPCs by just kinda slapping wires at them and maybe whacking them over the head with a lit welding torch... Playing an IPC comes with the sudden EMP deaths, that's half the fun. In return, you don't need oxygen. Edited August 15, 2017 by Biabri Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted August 15, 2017 Author Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Biabri said: But you can revive IPCs by just kinda slapping wires at them and maybe whacking them over the head with a lit welding torch... Playing an IPC comes with the sudden EMP deaths, that's half the fun. In return, you don't need oxygen. yes. one shot kills are half the fun. How could I be so foolish. Also the ease of repairability of IPCs is a very very cold comfort when your body's in space and there's literally nothing you could have done. Edited August 15, 2017 by Streaky Haddock 2 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biabri Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) Do IPCs have organs and bones and smushy bits? I know their hands break... You just kinda... Shove legs back on. The same goes for heads. Unless someone EMPs you while in space, they're going to have about the same difficulty as someone who has a non-IPC target. They still need to get your body, they still need to space you... The through walls bit is the only really sketchy thing I see here. Edited August 15, 2017 by Biabri Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted August 15, 2017 Author Posted August 15, 2017 Just now, Biabri said: Do IPCs have organs and bones and smushy bits? I know their hands break... You just kinda... Shove legs back on. The same goes for heads. OH BOY. I SURE LOVE BEING KILLED IN ONE HIT. IT'S HALF THE FUN DON'T YOU KNOW. OH I'VE BEEN REPAIRED. OH BUT I'M BLIND. THE ROBOTICIST IS NEW AND HE DOESN'T KNOW MY CHARGING IMPLANT IS FUCKED. OH AND I HAVE BRAIN DAMAGE. NO NANOPASTE? GREAT IT'S SO EASY TO REPAIR IPCS AFTER ALL. I WONDER WHY IT DOESN'T HAPPEN MORE OFTEN. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biabri Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) Malpracticebay exists. Organics understand your pain, being blind and suffering from brain damage while everyone is busy sawing off limbs by accident... Can you get diseases or bleed out? Do poisons work on you? Edited August 15, 2017 by Biabri Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted August 15, 2017 Author Posted August 15, 2017 Also fun fact, if you're the HoS and you get EMP'd by a changeling or a traitor. You aren't getting repaired, my friend. You're going to space. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biabri Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 I mean, once again, they need to break into your office and drag your dead body away... As they do with a human. IPCs don't teleport into space upon death unless that's been patched in? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted August 15, 2017 Author Posted August 15, 2017 What kind of HoS is in their office? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biabri Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) Oh, HoS. I somehow thought we were talking about a HoP... But anyway, if you're not in your office and you're a fleshy humanoid, then they may as well just bioterror you or instant KO you with some drug... Edited August 15, 2017 by Biabri Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted August 15, 2017 Author Posted August 15, 2017 instant KO. That isn't a fucking AOE THAT GOES THROUGH WALLS AND INSTANTLY /KILLS/ YOU. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 My god this is one giant saltpile. 3 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biabri Posted August 15, 2017 Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) I think if they've gotten to the body and you're on the floor dying in crit that's... About it.... Maybe EMPs shouldn't kill you in one shot then... >.> I just think it's nice of you to make it so I don't have to pull out the boom station damaging grenades. Heyyy, I haven't been salty at all! Edited August 15, 2017 by Biabri Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted August 15, 2017 Author Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Regen said: My god this is one giant saltpile. you have no idea. When I find that many mentors/admins often say 'don't play as x' or 'don't be in x game mode as ipc' then how can I not feel demoralised as all hell? How can I not be salty when I'm frequently killed by a thing that is A) A disguised ranged weapon for traitors B) Built in to changelings C) Easily produced in chemistry D) By friendly-fire with ion rifles on an extremely frequent basis and E) Easily produced by cults It's demoralising especially when a lot of response I get is kinda sneering and feel like I kinda deserve it for being anything other than human/vulp/slime/vox/plasma. It feels that me being an IPC is just an objectively worse choice than any other species. For someone who loves robots so much of course I am salty. The thing that really really bothers me is i am HELPLESS. There is NOTHING i can do to protect against it. The only options ar dragging a locker around (which is an actual joke) and getting a mech, which isn't reliable at all. Edited August 15, 2017 by Streaky Haddock 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted August 16, 2017 Posted August 16, 2017 IPC's are by default extremely poor game design, and not what ss13 is balanced around. There is no easy fix, and what you are proposing isn't just a 5 minute cakewalk of coding. If you want a larger scaled project to redo IPC's you have to take more initiative, this suggestion has come time and time and again, and sitting on your ass whining in big bold red letters doesn't help your position. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted August 16, 2017 Author Posted August 16, 2017 Just now, Regen said: IPC's are by default extremely poor game design, and not what ss13 is balanced around. There is no easy fix, and what you are proposing isn't just a 5 minute cakewalk of coding. If you want a larger scaled project to redo IPC's you have to take more initiative, this suggestion has come time and time and again, and sitting on your ass whining in big bold red letters doesn't help your position. well... alright then. How do I even begin to learn how to code? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biabri Posted August 16, 2017 Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) The trouble seems to be primarily with EMPs... IPCs are made up of mechanical limbs to my knowledge, and EMPs really mess those over. The coding would be based around those two things. Depending on how it's coded (Whether the EMP applies burn damage to the limb or destroys it) will determine how much work that this specific problem would take to fix. If it applies damage to limbs it could be as simple as changing the values. If it instantly kills all the parts of an IPC... That's going to need to be recoded to instead apply damage to mechanical parts. Edited August 16, 2017 by Biabri Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggyMiggy Posted August 16, 2017 Posted August 16, 2017 i dont like the idea, if ipcs are already easy to dismember via attacks and they are literally fully mechanical so id see why emps could instantly fuck them over but that shouldnt mean much, i rarely see anyone use emps. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biabri Posted August 16, 2017 Posted August 16, 2017 So far I've killed 3 IPCs with EMPs... That's how many I can recall, there may be a fourth... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyass Posted August 16, 2017 Posted August 16, 2017 *as traitor Tergets are both IPCs. Get the flashlight EMP, Ko them when hiding, then go into maintenance remove the brain from the body, and then toss into space play out round as nothing happen and win green text* Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/11266-emp-shielding/#findComment-93320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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