Bone White Posted July 25, 2014 Posted July 25, 2014 I never, ever, emergency siphon rooms to remove plasma/N2O etc. Siphoning then re-pressurising is always longer than just filtering out the hazardous chemicals with the normal scrubber action. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Posted July 26, 2014 Refilling a room is easy enough and theres much less danger when some moron opens all the shutters for FUNNNSIESSYAAY! Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taaketa Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 By complex I mean how long it is and how junctions there are. It isn't like the pipe layout is open like most of atmos. It would be easy to mess up but hard to find. Anyway, still a very long pipe system for something the coolers can do. Compared to your setup that completely re-routes all of atmos into the coolant system. My setup is pretty straight forward. Excluding redesigning the mixing room there is one single length of pipe going under the floor to the output valve on the space radiators. Then the radiator gets extended to feed into the mixing tank. There is nothing complex about that. The mixing room itself is straight forward once you gut it of all the extra pipes. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Posted July 26, 2014 From intake to filters the gas has to go quite some distance. And I still maintain it is overly complex for something the coolers can already easily do. How is my setup in anyway complex? You have to turn a couple of valves and that's it. Sure, you can tear half of it apart but all that does it make sabotage harder and give you more room. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taaketa Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 But once the atmos system is jammed it's jammed. You have no alterative option. You have just the coolant system and that's it. The station will suffer because heavy dense gases are in the scrubber network backlogged whilst the coolers struggle to handle the gases. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Posted July 26, 2014 True, adding a relief valve after the coolers that leads to the space loop might be a good project. I wish we had relief valves that open at a customisable pressure. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taaketa Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 Would a passive gate do that? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Posted July 26, 2014 No, I think they work like a one way manual valves. Not sure, haven't used them ever. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone White Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 Passive valves only let pressure through if it exceeds the set pressure. It's sort of like a gas pump in reverse. It allows you to keep a set back-pressure behind the valve, allowing only excess to flow through. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Posted July 26, 2014 Huh, I guess thats pretty much what I need. Do you think you could add the option to have it PDA you when it triggers? That would be very useful. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taaketa Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 Got to test my setup in a fire this round. Worked perfect no backlog and coolers were able to easily handle the incoming gas to feed it straight into the filtering system as the tank regulated the flow. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Posted July 26, 2014 How large was the fire and what was the highest pressure the tank got to? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taaketa Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 The Fire was in arrivals, spread to the port corridor and part of the central corridor. Drained all the systems and the tank hit a peak of 4000kpa as I was venting it at 1000kpa/s and injecting at 50 l/s. So if I wasn't emptying it it probably would've hit a peak of around 10000 kpa. The worst part of the whole section was the heat exchangers which built up a pressure of 4800 kpa at 200 degrees. The coolers were easily able to lower to normal temperture and I pumped out of them at 500kpa with no impact on normal atmos. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Posted July 26, 2014 Damn good job there, any idea what caused the fire? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taaketa Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 There was toxins in the air and someone had the object to steal plasma moles. So I presume there was some kind of leak. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted July 26, 2014 Author Posted July 26, 2014 Ahah, idiots messing with things they do not understand, always ends well. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taaketa Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 I think this is the best setup I've done yet. http://imgur.com/8Hl0eDN Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone White Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 I could, but the idea about valves is YOU have to check them in case of tampering. Adding a notification when pressure is reached changes the ball game completely. I think this is the best setup I've done yet. http://imgur.com/8Hl0eDN Only thing missing here that I can see are two valves on two of the connector ports to completely empty/fill canisters. Looks smart. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taaketa Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 I think this is the best setup I've done yet. http://imgur.com/8Hl0eDN Only thing missing here that I can see are two valves on two of the connector ports to completely empty/fill canisters. Looks smart. Actually, conector to the left of the connector does that and each dedicate gas flow can completely fill containers. To be honest with the setup I have there I can completely remove the connectors ports completely to open that area up to something else. What, I'm not sure. Maybe I could really fancy remove the direct connection to the coolers and have a connector for each type of gas. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone White Posted July 26, 2014 Posted July 26, 2014 Fill/Drain to the custom mix loop to do things like, for example, pre-chill N2 for supermatter emergencies or pre-chill O2 for cryo emergencies. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taaketa Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 That's what my little lonely cooling unit does for me as I direct cool the canisters, Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted July 27, 2014 Author Posted July 27, 2014 Don't like having any of the non-airmix lines with connectors, never in a hundred years will you need gas from them to do anything legitimate. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taaketa Posted July 27, 2014 Posted July 27, 2014 Don't like having any of the non-airmix lines with connectors, never in a hundred years will you need gas from them to do anything legitimate. Yeah that's why I have the seperated cooler just in case. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-10634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czardoc Posted August 31, 2014 Posted August 31, 2014 This guide really helped me. I set up the O2 cooling system first. In future rounds I may try replicating other people's setup until I really get the feel of what Atmos is and try to go advanced. I really thought that if I changed one of the pipes I might drain the Oxygen or something at first. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-12472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted August 31, 2014 Author Posted August 31, 2014 Do you have any other questions? Very happy to help. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1183-bucks-guide-to-not-being-an-atmos-scrub/page/3/#findComment-12483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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