Cyiko Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 I've recently been building turrets to help security, ones that shoot based on security status. If the ERT shows up, they also shoot them and I'm assuming it's because they don't actually show up on the crew manifest, thus the turrets shoot them because they aren't crew. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ID404NotFound Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 Is it really necessary/worth it to build turrets all over the hallways? I remember the round you were plotting them out, getting started before there was even a code blue, if I recall correctly. It seems like an extreme measure to even take in most cases, especially without evidence. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/#findComment-99987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargh Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 33 minutes ago, ID404NotFound said: Is it really necessary/worth it to build turrets all over the hallways? I remember the round you were plotting them out, getting started before there was even a code blue, if I recall correctly. It seems like an extreme measure to even take in most cases, especially without evidence. Even when i think the same, at the moment i approached to that situation i realized robotics can easily spam security bots or ED900 without much problem and flood the place with pretty much movile turrets who can also stunlock and cuff you up, plus calling your location. This might need some more in deep view about how legit it is to build them without red alert, but adressing this will mean we need to also look over robotics and his devices. Taking this point away, the idea of the ERT beign part of the manifest sounds really good. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/#findComment-99988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyOmaha Posted November 22, 2017 Posted November 22, 2017 ERT members aren't crew of the Cyberiad - why would they be on it's crew manifest? 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/#findComment-100013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyiko Posted November 22, 2017 Author Posted November 22, 2017 (edited) 18 hours ago, ID404NotFound said: Is it really necessary/worth it to build turrets all over the hallways? I remember the round you were plotting them out, getting started before there was even a code blue, if I recall correctly. It seems like an extreme measure to even take in most cases, especially without evidence. It's always worth it to ensure your safety, crew! Also I really like turrets... Edited November 22, 2017 by Cyiko Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/#findComment-100034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkDwarf Posted November 23, 2017 Posted November 23, 2017 36 minutes ago, Cyiko said: It's always worth it to ensure your safety, crew! Smells like powergaming to me, and meta as hell too. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/#findComment-100039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted November 25, 2017 Posted November 25, 2017 I can't see any reason to support this. ERT are not crew. I believe they can be added manually to the Manifest to avoid the problem of turrets shooting at them. If turrets attacking them is common enough to be a problem, then seems the bigger problem is turrets being built where they shouldn't be. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/#findComment-100158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaesersLegion Posted November 25, 2017 Posted November 25, 2017 To be honest the turret construction is more or less not really necessary, so instead of trying to fix the crew manifest so it includes the ERT, i recommend doing something else in your spare time. Because if you build turrets in the middle of the hallway word is going to spread around and antags will most likely just avoid and or bomb the area. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/#findComment-100159 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyiko Posted November 26, 2017 Author Posted November 26, 2017 This entire discussion got derailed from the ERT not being on the crew manifest to a discussion about the turrets. The ERT not being on the manifest means the AI is completely fine to screw them over on most lawsets, only avoidable by the server's rules. On 11/26/2017 at 4:47 AM, CeasersLegion said: Because if you build turrets in the middle of the hallway word is going to spread around and antags will most likely just avoid and or bomb the area. If the turrets are shooting at them, security is aware of the threat they pose, otherwise they will ignore them so why are the turrets an issue again? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/#findComment-100212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted November 26, 2017 Posted November 26, 2017 I think I explained that to you quite nicely the other day. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/#findComment-100213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allfd Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 I really liked the turrets when we had malf ai in rotation. That would always turn out amazing. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/#findComment-100215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayswift Posted November 27, 2017 Posted November 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Cyiko said: The ERT not being on the manifest means the AI is completely fine to screw them over on most lawsets, only avoidable by the server's rules. For which lawsets? Crewsimov - yes, the AI doesn't have to care that much about the ERT, but ERT members are specifically deployed to stop a direct harm to crew, so I'd imagine this would fall under law 1 Corporate - AI screws everyone over, crew or not, on this lawset NT default - AI must respect the command chain. Cannot screw over ERT Robocop - ERT are innocent, betraying the ERT is a violation of the public trust, and I'd imagine that, depending on how you're screwing over the ERT, it would also be against the law Paladin - Betraying the ERT is probably evil, though this lawset is pretty much a free for all I honestly don't think this is big enough of an issue to warrant adding people who aren't crew to the crew manifest. Turrets are excessive. This is a research station, not a warzone. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/#findComment-100220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyiko Posted November 27, 2017 Author Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Tayswift said: For which lawsets? Crewsimov - yes, the AI doesn't have to care that much about the ERT, but ERT members are specifically deployed to stop a direct harm to crew, so I'd imagine this would fall under law 1 Corporate - AI screws everyone over, crew or not, on this lawset NT default - AI must respect the command chain. Cannot screw over ERT Robocop - ERT are innocent, betraying the ERT is a violation of the public trust, and I'd imagine that, depending on how you're screwing over the ERT, it would also be against the law Paladin - Betraying the ERT is probably evil, though this lawset is pretty much a free for all I honestly don't think this is big enough of an issue to warrant adding people who aren't crew to the crew manifest. Turrets are excessive. This is a research station, not a warzone. You're right on the AI part, my bad. The turrets function no different to beepskies though, they shoot you with disabler beams only and they only do it if you have a wanted status. Literally beepskies that don't move and instead disable criminals in a 7 tile radius around them, granted they don't report crimes but that might be an interesting PR to make in the future to give the turrets the ability to broadcast notifications when they engage someone. an important research station would have a state of the art security system, saying it's not a warzone is fine and obvious seeing as this is about nonlethal sec turrets with disablers, not lethal turrets like in the AI sat. Edited November 27, 2017 by Cyiko Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/12037-have-the-ert-on-the-crew-manifest/#findComment-100221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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