Streaky Haddock Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 Screw OH&S, Humans can heal themselves perfectly fine, why can't Machine People? This is particularly unfortunate given they take more brute/burn damage than any other species when exposed, and moreover can't be healed by chemicals or cloned. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 They can heal themselves. That only pops up if the body part you are targeting is at full health. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-5932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 1, 2014 Author Posted June 1, 2014 No it doesn't. I can say this with 100% certainty. You get the message 'There is nothing to fix!' when you're at full health at a body part. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-5933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 It says one or the other. I have been playing one for the last two weeks. Use a health analyzer and try the welder on the injured spot. Unless Ponies updated it recently, it worked as of Friday night. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-5934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 1, 2014 Author Posted June 1, 2014 I have been badly injured and trying to weld mangled body parts with a welder to get two clicks in before being hit with this OH&S nonsense. It's a hassle and pops up inconsistently. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-5938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrat Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 I can confirm that machine people can heal themselves. If you suffer brute damage, you must use a lit welder on the damaged part. If you get the OH and S note, it means that the limb's damage is fully repaired, same if it notes there is nothing left to fix. If you suffer burns, you must use a cable coil on the affected part until you get the same notice. A note that depending on the severity of your wounds, you may be unable to repair the body part because it's been fucked up so badly that a few extra cables or haphazardly welding yourself back together will hardly suffice. Machine people, for the note, are immune to and therefore cannot take damage from, Oxy (loss), Toxins, Clone, or Rad sources. Clone damage isn't to be confused with genetic defects after cloning (which CAN be done) which cannot be cured. But I digress. All limbs can be repaired with some tools provided that the limb in question isn't FUBAR. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-5942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qinetix Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 Sounds like a good deal for only 15 kp. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-5949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 2, 2014 Author Posted June 2, 2014 No It is NOT the message you get when you are fully healed. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-5958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 Just played today. Machine people now cannot heal themselves. This makes no sense. A human can heal themselves. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-5960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zgun Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 Just played today. Machine people now cannot heal themselves. This makes no sense. A human can heal themselves. The only reason I can see for this is maybe it's too 'easy' for a machine person to heal themselves if they can, with most damage occuring usually being brute and welders and fuel tanks fairly easy to get, you can heal up all the way. Whereas with humans there are very few publicly accessible bandages/bandaids and these run out in 5 uses. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-5961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 Thanks to lack of knowledge I was attacked in the head three times in the last round I played. Then they would not listen as I explained how to fix burns with cable. I feel easy fixing comes with the downside that you take more brute damage, your limbs come off easily, and right now reassembly is impossible. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-5962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 2, 2014 Author Posted June 2, 2014 However, this is offset by the fact that machine people take MORE damage from brute and burns than anybody else, and have a higher chance of limb loss. Including head. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-5963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 (edited) Machine people also have the downside of not healing over time. Edited June 3, 2014 by Guest Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-5996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 Human master race Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-6010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 Thank you for the Admin insight. I was just curious as to why they cannot fix themselves now. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-6037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 Thank you for the Admin insight. I was just curious as to why they cannot fix themselves now. It was originally for balancing, cause right now machine people only has 2 types of damage, while everyone else has 4 or 3 I'll run this by ponies, see what he thinks about it Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-6053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zgun Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 Thank you for the Admin insight. I was just curious as to why they cannot fix themselves now. It was originally for balancing, cause right now machine people only has 2 types of damage, while everyone else has 4 or 3 I'll run this by ponies, see what he thinks about it Well also Machine People's heals are instant, everyone else has to be injected and wait, or bandaged and wait, or cryo and wait. Machine people have instant heals. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-6055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted June 3, 2014 Posted June 3, 2014 Organics also heal over time. Can be cloned, and right now part of the benefit of being a machine person is bugged, they cannot be reassembled. Clone damage is possible, I have had it from slimes and been unable to cure it. This current form makes me rely on someone knowing how to and caring enough to fix me. I keep having the issue of all roboticists being dead when I check in for repairs. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-6056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrat Posted June 4, 2014 Posted June 4, 2014 I checked the other day and obviously, MP can no longer self heal. I find this unfair. Not only is there always a roboticist to help you out, but if you are a less-reputable person (Wizard, Deathsquad, Nuke ops, other known and wanted-dead antag or something to that sort), you cannot get any healing whatsoever, while even an antag with a medkit could at least preform basic health work on themselves. As it stands, unless someone is willing to help you, you can take damage and never ever get it healed up. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-6058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keilden Posted June 6, 2014 Posted June 6, 2014 Replace "rest" for MP with a self repair mode, if the MP rests for a while he/she/it starts to get healed. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-6257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 Okay, machine people take clone damage as normal, just no way to heal it. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-6341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 7, 2014 Author Posted June 7, 2014 I really like the idea of a repair mode. Two Minutes lying down and they're all fine (unless they're missing limbs). They can also be repaired as normal by a friend. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-6342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 I like that. I just want some way to fix damage other than trying to find the one person in five who knows how to/is willing to repair a machine person. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-6344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClarkPark Posted June 8, 2014 Posted June 8, 2014 I like that. I just want some way to fix damage other than trying to find the one person in five who knows how to/is willing to repair a machine person. As a doctor, I usually send them to robotics to heal their brute/burns because I have no welders/coils. I'm sure that in medbay if you bring the doctors the tools and tell them to repair you with them they will be willing to help Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-6417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted June 8, 2014 Posted June 8, 2014 I usually carry the tools. The issue I have is that they just dismiss me as a robotics problem. This is really troubling when I need a limb reattached. I think robotics needs a retractor. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/1226-allow-machine-people-to-heal-themselves/#findComment-6419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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