Harmony Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 I will put the objects that should be checked Double Energy Sword cost 16 Telecrystals Problem: reflects all the laser shots in 100% even with his back to the attacker block bullets but less % Possible solution Reduce laser reflect to 60% or similar remove reflect if they shoot you in the back Martial Arts Scroll cost 17 Telecrystals Purpose: Turning your average brawler into Bruce Lee. not in iron man Problem: 100% armored with laser,bullets, wizard fireball and turrets Possible solution: less time in stum 80% - 90% disarm 50% resist a Taser get up before the floor You're supposed to be a fighter, not a tank 1 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/14241-several-unbalanced-objects/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeletalElite Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) Sleeping carp is easy to counter. Energy bolas, flashbangs if they dont have protection yet, batons. Its only a guranteed disarm if you let them get two disarms off. Dont let them. Dont use lasers on a Desword, if you have mutliple people trying to baton them they wont last long. Theres also flashbangs, e bolas, and shotguns. Edited September 1, 2018 by SkeletalElite 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/14241-several-unbalanced-objects/#findComment-116759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harmony Posted September 1, 2018 Author Posted September 1, 2018 13 minutes ago, SkeletalElite said: Sleeping carp is easy to counter. Energy bolas, flashbangs if they dont have protection yet, batons. Its only a guranteed disarm if you let them get two disarms off. Dont let them. Dont use lasers on a Desword, if you have mutliple people trying to baton them they wont last long. Theres also flashbangs, e bolas, and shotguns. I think the shotguns are blocked, according to my test with a revolver of 7 bullets, only two hit him Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/14241-several-unbalanced-objects/#findComment-116762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeletalElite Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) it has 75% block chance on non laser things, but shotguns shoot multiple pellets so youll get some damage in still, also since shotguns do physical damage you can probably break a bone which is very difficult for them to get fixed since they need a collab or another antag to fix them basically Edited September 1, 2018 by SkeletalElite Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/14241-several-unbalanced-objects/#findComment-116763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irkalla Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 75% block chance for bullets on the dual esword. Dual eswords cannot block: Mech Punches, Thrown objects (that includes corpses which knock down), shoves (also known as loldisarms), any sort of spray, yes that includes lube, napalm, chlorine trifluoride, tesla blasts from the tesla revolver (that is an actual counter to carp aswell aslong they are not hit by the main blast), any sort of explosives, that includes 50/50 pot water that just dents the hull a little bit, anything with fire, that includes dragonsbreath shotgun rounds, Ion shots. Carp is just: Dont engage them alone. They get incredibly broken when combined with other things, including but not limited to: Bloodred Hardsuits, Shielded Hardsuits, Powered Armor in general, Implants of all kinds. Immortality chem implants, Meth, Antistuns, Antidrop, a bluespace backpack full of weapons... that kind of stuff. Thats the shit that makes Dual Esword and Carp broken. Using them together with some of the gear you get from your regular job... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/14241-several-unbalanced-objects/#findComment-116764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeletalElite Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 Disarms can be blocked Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/14241-several-unbalanced-objects/#findComment-116765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irkalla Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 The shove disarm ignores that, I am not talking about the regular disarm that takes your item out of the hand, the shove actually is not blocked. Its basicly the same thing like being hit with a a thrown corpse... even has the same knockdown time and all. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/14241-several-unbalanced-objects/#findComment-116766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) Carp isnt bad by itself, its only really bad when a crappy antag sees someone who is known to be a good one and is like "Hey, you are robust, take all my TC and do my objectives so I can literally do nothing and greentext." If you think carp is OP wait till you see a full powered vamp with carp (or carpire). You'll find them parading around the station running thier mouth on comms thinking they are badass even though you could give someone who is below average at combat carpire and they'd still be a pain in the ass to kill. Edited September 1, 2018 by ZN23X Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/14241-several-unbalanced-objects/#findComment-116770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeletalElite Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 2 hours ago, ZN23X said: Carp isnt bad by itself, its only really bad when a crappy antag sees someone who is known to be a good one and is like "Hey, you are robust, take all my TC and do my objectives so I can literally do nothing and greentext." If you think carp is OP wait till you see a full powered vamp with carp (or carpire). You'll find them parading around the station running thier mouth on comms thinking they are badass even though you could give someone who is below average at combat carpire and they'd still be a pain in the ass to kill. carpire + gloves of north star + plus macro for max punch speed= why Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/14241-several-unbalanced-objects/#findComment-116777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 5 hours ago, SkeletalElite said: carpire + gloves of north star + plus macro for max punch speed= why *scream I literally don't know what gloves of the north star are. This feels as akward as the first time I experiended His Grace after nearly a year of playing sec. You'd think I'd know these things but don't Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/14241-several-unbalanced-objects/#findComment-116784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjaminfallout Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 37 minutes ago, ZN23X said: I literally don't know what gloves of the north star are You know how meth makes your legs faster? Think of forever meth punching gloves. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/14241-several-unbalanced-objects/#findComment-116786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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