Admin Complaint - Spacemanspark

[donkeyhorseass]

Admin(s) Key: spacemanspark
Your ckey (Byond username): not-so-quick
Your Discord name (if applicable): DUDE#2449

Date(s) of incident (GMT preferred):2020/03/23

Nature of complaint: Clarification required, abuse of powers
(Select all that apply: EG - clarification required, misapplication of rules, misconduct, abuse of powers, feedback, other)
Links to all relevant ban appeals for any bans related to this complaint:

Brief description (tl;dr here. Just the critical elements): was talking about an SOO that killed me in dchat, said i dislike the super high up military officer trope, people in dchat said i was bringing up the cargonian revolt again (was my first time talking about it), spacemanspark brought up a bwoink from a day earlier in dchat then banned me

Full description of events: so i have two imgur albums. first one is the dchat leading up to me being tempbanend, second is my conversation with kyet also leading up to me being tempbanned.

 

what happened in the round was cargo revolted, killed a detective and IAA, an SOO teleported in (i think, i didnt see them come in) and murdered all of them. i walked in, demanding an explanation as to why my cargo staff were killed. i was ignored, made a few announcements saying sec brought it upon themselves, had a discussion about supporting unions in command chat, was threatened by the gamma borg over PDA, SOO popped into command chat to call me a jackass, i asked for a written report, made another announcement saying i support unions and the right of workers to ask for better working conditions, then was promptly assassinated by a civilian with an M1911-P

 

in deadchat, i started off with saying "epic" then went to use the washroom for a bit, then came back and stated the stuff in the first imgur album.

https://imgur.com/a/N9N21wf

as you can see, i never once brought up the cargonian revolt or tried to justify it in dchat. that was a position i maintained ICly and i guess everyone assumed i had the same stance OOCly and were getting on my ass about it, including spacemanspark, who broke this rule on the guide to admin complaints: 

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1) Remember that we have a rule against discussing bans, warnings, etc in-game, on forums (outside the relevant forums) and on Discord. 

by bringing up our previous conversation and using it against me. 

 

i really dont get the reason for my tempban. i reached out to spaceman on discord asking for his perspective, no response. but he seemed pretty willing to discuss it in dchat before he hit me with a tempban. i was only discussing the IC conduct of the SOO, and never tried to justify the cargo revolt or anything like that OOCly. 

 

https://imgur.com/a/Zz3LC7z

 

the second album, above, is my conversation with kyet. i ahelped because i was a little confused that i got killed by a CIVILLIAN - no special title, no special gear, just a normal looking dog person with an M1911-P.  i asked for where i could find the source for unions being illegal, but im just "expected to know" the backstory thats not on the wiki. 

 

my biggest gripe is that spaceman brought up a previous convo in dchat, and when i questioned why he can do that but i cant, i was tempbanned. i was only talking about the SOO and RP tropes, other people brought up the IC events and said i was bringing it up again. i dont think i was being toxic or doing anything that would even warrant a tempban, which is why i asked spaceman in discord what his perspective is. in fact, i hardly even spoke in dchat, and never (to my recollection) tried to justify the revolt or the actions of the people involved, IN dchat. everything i tried to justify was ICly, my character, NOT deadchat.

 

i really just want to know what the issue is here. 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by donkeyhorseass

[Abydos]

I was the one who was playing the SOO, that dealt with the Cargo situation. None of us teleported in, it was myself and Sparks who got ready at CC, while giving Cargo a warning and an advanced warning to Security to avoid Cargo as Cargo was just blasting whoever they wanted without ANY warning or justification.

The whole time after me and Sparks had dealt with the cargo uprising, with a Nanotrasen Special Operations Officer there, and a Commando Cyborg.. both clearly sent by Central Command was dealing with the aftermath (SOO, Cyborg and crew cyborgs were repairing, cleaning and gathering up weapons), you kept demanding that the SOO answer to you. You literally heard over the radio, that Cargo was murdering security, and people who had done absolutely nothing to them.

 

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[2020-03-24T00:57:11] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (81,122,1): What is an SOO doing here?

[2020-03-24T00:57:30] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (80,121,1): They murdered all of the cargo staff.. (Only 3 who activately was shooting anyone who walked into cargo, including the SOO)

[2020-03-24T00:57:45] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (81,121,1): Unathi. (SOO was a Unathi)

[2020-03-24T00:57:48] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (81,121,1): Explain yourself.

[2020-03-24T00:58:06] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (87,118,1): Excuse me.

[2020-03-24T00:58:12] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (87,117,1): As the head of this department.

[2020-03-24T00:58:19] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (87,117,1): I DEMAND to know why my staff were killed.

[2020-03-24T00:58:32] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (87,118,1): This is my department.

[2020-03-24T00:58:38] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (87,118,1): Explain yourself.

[2020-03-24T00:58:42] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (87,118,1): Why did you kill my staff?

[2020-03-24T00:58:58] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (91,117,1): It appears the SOO is incapable of answering basic questions.

[2020-03-24T00:59:24] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (91,117,1): This is my department.

[2020-03-24T00:59:30] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (91,117,1): All of my staff were killed.

[2020-03-24T00:59:35] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (91,117,1): And nobody is explaining themselves.

[2020-03-24T00:59:44] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (91,117,1): Especialyl not the SOO with the pulse rifle. (M1P)

So you heard reports of Cargo killing and shooting people who had done absolutely nothing to them. Central Command had to get involved and gave Cargo ONE warning, to disarm their weaponary and turn it over to Security.. they refused, and you started making DEMANDS to a NT Officer. You then furthered this by claiming that it was Security who brought this on themselves.. because 1 guy got searched and detained. You then tried to continue the mutiny, died to a rad storm and then complained in deadchat.

 

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[2020-03-24T01:00:23] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (91,117,1): Security brought this upon themselves.

[2020-03-24T01:02:30] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (91,118,1): This is outrageous.

[2020-03-24T01:02:54] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (91,118,1): Workers of the station, unite.

[2020-03-24T01:03:30] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (91,119,1): I'm going down with my department.

[2020-03-24T01:04:18] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (87,120,1): Words are not tantamount to mutiny.

[2020-03-24T01:04:56] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (87,120,1): I have severe doubts regarding the conduct of the SOO.

[2020-03-24T01:06:17] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (87,121,1): hail cargonia

[2020-03-24T01:09:36] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (157,115,1): using a god char and gamma borg is probably the most boring way to confront a revolt

After which, you were cloned and decided to polymorph into one of the (executed) revolt, then started again arguing against CC and Command.

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[2020-03-24T01:24:43] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): Workers have the right to express themselves

[2020-03-24T01:24:59] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): expression does not mean excuse homocide

[2020-03-24T01:25:09] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): Does haveing a fancy job title?

[2020-03-24T01:25:15] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): no

[2020-03-24T01:25:17] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): And access to teleportation devices?

[2020-03-24T01:25:30] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): So you agree the SOO wasn't right to indiscriminately murder cargo.

[2020-03-24T01:25:41] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): no, she had the right

[2020-03-24T01:25:51] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): mutiny is a capital crime

[2020-03-24T01:25:55] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): You just said having a fancy job title doesn't excuse homicide

[2020-03-24T01:26:06] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): It's not mutiny. It's a strike.

[2020-03-24T01:26:11] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): no

[2020-03-24T01:26:15] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): they had guns

[2020-03-24T01:26:18] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): well?

[2020-03-24T01:26:19] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): killed a man

[2020-03-24T01:26:26] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): They were attacked.

[2020-03-24T01:26:47] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): If security is not willing to defend worker unions, then workers should have the right to defend themselves.

[2020-03-24T01:26:47] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): no, be professional

[2020-03-24T01:26:53] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): follow SOP

[2020-03-24T01:27:04] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): imagine unionizing

[2020-03-24T01:27:24] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): Imagine being exploited for your labor

[2020-03-24T01:27:33] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): they are paid well

[2020-03-24T01:27:38] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): these are hard times

[2020-03-24T01:28:00] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): I support the right of workers to express themselves and demand better working conditions.

[2020-03-24T01:28:02] SAY: abydos2/(Jeneta Milosm) (214,21,2): Head of Personnel, are you literally arguing that Cargo... who ordered illegally weaponry, armed themselves with said illegally weaponry.. who then started shooting at crew members, who had done nothing to them and caused the death of innocent.. should be allowed to continue and classify that as "Defending themselves"? No. It was murder and mutiny, plain and simple. So Head of Personnel, pull your head out of your ass and stop being a jackass.

[2020-03-24T01:28:26] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): SOO beat you to it

[2020-03-24T01:28:34] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): SOO, with all due respect, you teleported into cargo and started murdering people, then refused to explain what's happening to the head of that department.

[2020-03-24T01:28:47] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): I'm not inclined to believe what you're telling me.

[2020-03-24T01:29:08] SAY: abydos2/(Jeneta Milosm) (214,21,2): After they had already murdered an IAA and Detective, who had done nothing but walked into cargo, on security cameras, for us to see after we had warned them to turn in weaponry to security.

[2020-03-24T01:29:10] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): the SOO defended innocents

[2020-03-24T01:29:18] SAY: abydos2/(Jeneta Milosm) (214,21,2): So you can either stop being an idiot, or you can step down your position. Your choice.

[2020-03-24T01:29:20] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): she met lethal force with lethal force

[2020-03-24T01:29:28] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): SOO, I'd like a full written report regarding this matter.

[2020-03-24T01:29:39] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): You're clogging up command comms. CE, would you like an atmos tech?

[2020-03-24T01:30:18] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): pffft

[2020-03-24T01:30:25] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): Ill let the SOO make that call

[2020-03-24T01:30:43] SAY: abydos2/(Jeneta Milosm) (214,21,2): I just misheard. Did I just hear the Head of Personnel.. give an order to a Central Command Officer, to give them a written report?

[2020-03-24T01:31:19] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (103,115,1): I didn't order you

[2020-03-24T01:31:25] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (103,115,1): I just stated I would like a written report

[2020-03-24T01:31:32] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): the HOP is an idiot

Central Command Announcement:
HoP, be advised that Special Operations Officers report directly to Central Command. They are immune to SOP and Space Law. They can field-execute any Cyberiad crew, on the spot, as they deem necessary. Yes, that includes YOU if need be. They do not answer to you, the Captain, or indeed anyone on the Cyberiad. Not even ERT.

Your demand that the SOO submit a report to you in writing is at best, extremely stupid, and at worst, an invitation to get a visit from said SOO - but not the kind of visit you want.

[2020-03-24T01:32:14] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): I don't recall demanding anything of the SOO.

[2020-03-24T01:32:24] SAY: Promethium (113,137,1): be advised, HOP has gone rogue

[2020-03-24T01:32:25] SAY: Not-So-Quick/(Alijah Adams) (102,120,1): Just that I'd like a written report regarding what happened in the cargo bay.

Standing there, defending Cargo for their actions, blaming Security for searching him and trying to blame them for the QM's detainment when it was Beepsky who done it, because the QM wasn't wearing his ID.. and then demanding that CC explains their actions on dealing with a VERY lethal mutiny that claimed the lives of 2 members of Security, 1 IAA and another cargo tech who was murdered merely because he reported cargo arming up.. is utterly stupid.

CC had enough of you making theses demands and sent an agent to deal with you permanently. To which you complained about, then complained in deadchat about the cargo revolt being dealt with.

 

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[2020-03-24T01:51:19] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (92,179,1): yeah didnt let me use my antag token at round start

[2020-03-24T01:51:35] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (92,179,1): also the super high military ranking officer dude xddd is a tired trope

[2020-03-24T01:52:06] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (141,126,1): doesnt mean it isnt a tired RP trope

[2020-03-24T01:52:37] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (192,130,1): then why is there a MRP tag on the hub

[2020-03-24T01:52:39] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (188,130,1): lawl

[2020-03-24T01:53:33] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (112,171,1): i didnt expect non antags to tag along and get away with it though?

[2020-03-24T01:53:59] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (199,134,1): im not lol

[2020-03-24T01:54:15] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (199,134,1): i was talking about the SOO

[2020-03-24T01:55:13] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (199,133,1): ok im not defending the cargo revolt

[2020-03-24T01:55:22] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (199,133,1): i wasnt even talking about it

[2020-03-24T01:55:39] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (202,131,1): epic

[2020-03-24T01:56:24] DEADCHAT: Not-So-Quick/(Guillaume Le Millione) (200,134,1): why is it ok for admins to bring up bwoinks and shit in dchat but we cant

You were deliberately asking for trouble and when the staff dealt with you, you complained. Sparks warned you that this behavior, you had been spoken too about before.

[donkeyhorseass]

16 minutes ago, Abydos said:

To which you complained about, then complained in deadchat about the cargo revolt being dealt with.

i didnt complain about the cargo revolt. in the logs you posted and the screenshot i posted, i said im not defending the cargo revolt and i wasnt even talking about it, past the first instance of dchat. that was the ONLY time i had brought up the cargo revolt. in the second instance, i was talking about the SOO as a character. i think its cliche. yet everyone construed it, including you, as me defending the cargo revolt. defending and justfiying it. it seems like words are being put into my mouth and a strawman is being attacked, because i never once OOCly stated that cargo was justified in doing what it did, and that's not even the crux of this complaint.

am i being tempbanned because i argued against CC ICly? is disagreeing with people against the rules? am i being tempbanned because i said "using a god char and gamma borg is probably the most boring way to confront a revolt"? i dont believe i was being overly toxic in dchat. from my perspective, everyone who was getting upset with me was doing so on false grounds. 

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by donkeyhorseass

[Spacemanspark]

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1) Remember that we have a rule against discussing bans, warnings, etc in-game, on forums (outside the relevant forums) and on Discord. 

While Aby does a superb job explaining the situation and I'm not going to get into yet another argument with you right now, I am going to touch on this a bit as you seem to misunderstand its purpose. 

This rule is here to curb players that would rather waste time and start lengthy arguments about their bans in areas not suited for such discussion. An off hand comment in dead chat regarding me previously telling you that your attitude was problematic is quite different from this, and was an attempt to have you take a step back and consider what you were doing at that moment. Could I have mentioned this in an admin PM directed at you instead? Perhaps, but I don't think it would have done much more than spawn another argument and further increase hostilities. 

As is, your blatant handwave of Aby's post (which shows quite a bit of your unruly mannerisms) does little to persuade me that I may have made any wrong decisions with your ban. Attacking staff both OOCly and ICly for enforcing server rules is inadvisable at best. 

A head admin, likely @necaladunas Kyet was involved with the situation, will answer this when they are able.

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by Spacemanspark

[donkeyhorseass]

1 minute ago, Spacemanspark said:

As is, your blatant handwave of Aby's post

didnt feel the need to respond to the rest of his post because thats not the crux of the issue at hand. as is, he didnt respond to most of my complaint either.

 

2 minutes ago, Spacemanspark said:

Attacking staff both OOCly and ICly for enforcing server rules is inadvisable at best. 

 

who did i attack and how?

[donkeyhorseass]

11 minutes ago, Spacemanspark said:

An off hand comment in dead chat regarding me previously telling you that your attitude was problematic

"The fact you still think it was ok or you're still arguing about it with your crappy attitude of yours (which I've talked to you about yesterday) Astounds me Seriously Chill

 

is a bit more than an offhand comment. its kind of an insult and is pretty rude and condescending. having a conversation and trying to understand what's going on isn't an argument. i don't know why you think i'm super confrontational and aggressive and "unruly", but you should tone it down a bit as well. im not here to argue or get mad or poke fun at anyone. im not trying to be insulting, rude, or whatever. im really not. im trying to be as chill as i can and understand your perspective.

 

a large portion of this complaint is revolving around something i didnt bring up. i still dont even know why i was tempbanned. i didnt bring up the revolt in dchat, i didnt complain about it, i didnt try to justify it, i didnt complain about the admins, i didnt complain about dying, all i did was talk about IC events and characters.

Edited March 24, 2020 by donkeyhorseass
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[Elllipsis]

Hi there,

I would like to clarify I did have my ID on! It was actually taken away from me from security when they were abusing me and then beepsky came abused me, then I was taken to brig to be questioned, harassed, and searched continuously again and again. 

Please be aware of that, since you guys keep thinking this is my fault and recklessness that I've been sitting in brig for the first 20 minutes of the round.

Obviously there wasn't a aftermath exactly, from my perspective of my character when I was playing, the detective was killed, people were trying to valid hunt or get in the way by pushing into cargo, in which you guys came in and just killed us all. it would have been no different if you just vanished/teleported us from existence but of course for RP sake right?

Not to stir the pot sorry, just a clarification since I feel like people are cherry picking and paraphrasing and changing things to their benefit. Which is why I privately talked to Kyet myself actually since people are jumping the gun by adding notes and doing things that were unjustified. Such as my perma ban without actually being spoken to at all of the situation when apparently you guys actually got to talk to notsoquick and give him a 24 hour ban instead. 

amazing

[Abydos]

26 minutes ago, Elllipsis said:

I would like to clarify I did have my ID on! It was actually taken away from me from security when they were abusing me and then beepsky came abused me, then I was taken to brig to be questioned, harassed, and searched continuously again and again. 

1) Beepsky is an NPC, a bot, no one plays them, so they cannot abuse anyone.

2) Beepsky was set to arrest unidentified people

3) If you had your ID in your PDA, and not wearing it within a slot, Beepsky will view you as unidentified and arrest you. No one in Security touched you before Beepsky saw you and detained you, Security decided it'd be better to search you at the brig after that, which they are allowed to do on a code red.

 

26 minutes ago, Elllipsis said:

from my perspective of my character when I was playing, the detective was killed, people were trying to valid hunt or get in the way by pushing into cargo, in which you guys came in and just killed us all.

1) Detective was in Cargo using the autolathe.. then without warning, had you and a cargo tech charge in, shoot them in the back, killing them.

2) IAA was also in cargo, wanting to talk to you about what happened with security. You and the other cargo techs killed them.

3) One of the cargo techs reported over the radio what you and others were doing, he was killed by you lot because "You didn't like them and to stop them reporting you".

4) A security officer showed up hearing all of this.. he was also killed. That was when CC ordered security to avoid cargo, an SOO and Cyborg commando was deployed by shuttle to arrivals and went through maints.

 

26 minutes ago, Elllipsis said:

Which is why I privately talked to Kyet myself actually since people are jumping the gun by adding notes and doing things that were unjustified. Such as my perma ban without actually being spoken to at all of the situation when apparently you guys actually got to talk to notsoquick and give him a 24 hour ban instead. 

Bringing your issues up to another admin complaint is NOT going to assist you with yours. Furthermore;

 

Edited March 26, 2020 by Abydos

[Elllipsis]

Yes, Beepsky arrests unidentified people. 

They removed my ID and searched me, and wanted to check everything including my PDA so yes, I was being stunned by beepsky and ziptied by sec and beepsky. 

So no, it was not my recklessness that got me there, read the logs please. It a "random search" for no reason, check my approved ban appeals for my side of the story, I'm constantly having to repeat myself. 

 

Wrong, actually I killed the detective, hiding in the closet in the back of cargo who was snooping around and doing a play by play over radio most likely and whining. 

 

My issues for this aren't in a admin complaint. I never made a complaint, this had nothing to do with my admin complaint which is separate. Not asking for assistance. This is clarification because you're assuming things, putting words in my mouth and saying things that aren't true. Again I'm not sure what you're actually on about. Please read. 

[necaladun]

Hi there.

First of all, the whole cargo situation:

SOO's, NTUOs and the like, are called in by admins to ICly deal with situations when it'd be better for the general flow of the station if it's handled in an IC manner. Having all the cargo mutineers just fall over SSD is not that satisfying, especially to the people they murdered. Two of them were banned over this afterwards, as a full-scale mutiny is not ok for a non-antag.

"CARGONIA DECLARES INDEPENDINCE FROM THE STATION SEC TRY TO STOP US" would be the best quote to show this is a full scale mutiny, not cargo defending themselves. 

It isn't really fair on the rest of security and the round to force sec to have to deal with a highly armed bunch of nutcases, so executing them on the spot for the capital crimes they committed (Then banning them for their rule breaking), is the easiest way to get things moving.

Funnily enough, the same company that has multiple Deathsquads is not too big on "unions", and continuing to support people to "defend themselves" when they attacked and murdered multiple people puts you in the same category as them in the eyes of CC. This can often result in field execution, especially when coming from the second in command - all it takes is one rad storm accident and then the station is being commanded by someone who really doesn't have NT's interests at heart. 

In no way is this abuse of power - or even some "super high rank". It's the only rank we have above Captain really, there's actually no real guide to ranks beyond that. I'm sure SOO's have a commanding officer and they report to the board or something like that. It's never really come up.

 

As far as the clarification on the dayban goes - since you claim to be unaware why it was given - this was the reason given for it:

" Your attitude is quickly becoming a problem. You need time to read the rules and chill out. That apology you sent me over discord today, which I was initially going to accept and move on, clearly means nothing when you turn around and start doing this."

Day bans are often given for people to chill out for a bit, as this one clearly was done. Considering that this was your 16th note and 4th ban, it's quite lenient. I see no issue with this dayban for someone getting so worked up in deadchat. In no way is this an abuse of power - it's quite standard for admins to give people a dayban to chillout.

You come across as quite snarky and and sarcastic in deadchat. If your replies to admins is going to be stuff like "epic", then it's best for the admins to just give you some timeout. Admins aren't paid enough to put up with such petulant attitudes.

 

With your further statement in here of :

On 3/24/2020 at 1:09 PM, donkeyhorseass said:

including spacemanspark, who broke this rule on the guide to admin complaints

And your comment of "why is it ok for admins to bring up bwoinks and shit in dchat but we cant"

I feel I need to clarify this a bit. As clarification was also requested, this seems a good place:

This rule is about players talking (or salting more so) about their bans. This rule exists because we don't have time to go over every incident of people talking about their (or others) bans and correcting them each time. More often than not, players were incorrect about the details, either through exaggeration, intentional obscuring ("I was banned for being too robust"), or getting information about other peoples bans third hand or more, which results in incredibly incorrect information.

Admins are allowed to talk about bans. Admins couldn't really do their job if they couldn't talk about bans. Admins also have the full ban and note list, and access to logs - so when they talk about a ban, they are generally going to be much, much more accurate. 

Calling your attitude "crappy" is not insulting. Calling you crappy, would be. Admins routinely call peoples actions and attitudes on the server much worse things than "crappy". Your attitude, both ICly and OOCly, was quite crappy, and not the kind of thing we want on the server ICly, or for admins to have to put up with OOCly. 

 

This complaint is without merit and resolved.

 

[donkeyhorseass]

thanks for your time neca. 

 i was trying to not discuss the events at hand since everyone was getting overworked, and in the end i was tempbanned for saying the word "epic." thanks for the clarification.

Edited March 27, 2020 by donkeyhorseass

[necaladun]

2 hours ago, donkeyhorseass said:

in the end i was tempbanned for saying the word "epic."

If that's what you got out of all this, I don't think there's much hope for you.