Abydos Complaint

[romeo247]

                                                                                

 

Admin(s) Key: Abydos2

Your ckey : Romeo247

Date(s) of incident (GMT preferred): 2020-02-17 07:49:47

 

Nature of complaint: Abuse of power and misconduct

Brief description: Keeps rejecting my appeal because Abby claimed that I am not playing enough and only want to play to be antagonist

 

 

 

Full description of events:

 

The reason I am writing this staff complaint is because of the admin “Abby” who keeps refusing to accept for appeal from a job ban. At first I wrote an appeal questioning the reason for me receiving the job ban by indirectly asking an engineer who was at the mining station to convert me . It was declined. then after two days later I wrote another appeal saying I wont antagonist bait because I know it against the rules and ruin the game mode.  The admin told me to play on the server and that I was able to appeal on an certain date . I obeyed those orders and was rejected because I did not played enough . Claiming that 6 hours of game play time with not enough for a two week period .  I send Abby a message on the forums asking about why my appeal was decline and how many hours would he/she want me to play for. I did not receive an answer. So I decided to play for 36 hours over 9 days as he/she  stated  in my next appeal and was still rejected . Claiming that I only proving that I play on this server for antagonist or fish for antagonist which is simply not true . If I recalled correctly I have 395  hours on this server  and have played in all 5 departments . I mostly did all of the jobs excepts for the head of staff jobs . Then when I received a job ban and an attempting to get rid of it Abby thinks that my only reason for playing is to be antagonist which  is not true. I do not   I also do not think that it is fair to tell someone to play on the server . Then later on rejected their appeal  claiming that that did not play enough . If you are doing to do stuff like that I feel that you should at least tell someone to play a minimum of  hours before making another appeal , Not just tell them to play and come back and say that its not enough .

[Abydos]

7 hours ago, romeo247 said:

receiving the job ban by indirectly asking an engineer who was at the mining station to convert me

I'd like to point out, that this right here is a lie as proven by the logs. You didn't "indirectly" ask them, you straight up asked them and told them to do it.
Edit / additional information: You also stated in your own appeal, you did ask for him to convert you. 
 

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 I broke rule number 2  by not playing up to role-playing  standards on paradise by asking someone to convert me 

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[2020-02-17T07:37:05] SAY: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (68,38,5): i sure would love somone to cult me

[2020-02-17T07:37:20] SAY: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (76,37,5): sure would love someone cult me

[2020-02-17T07:37:33] SAY: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (77,38,5): great

[2020-02-17T07:37:38] SAY: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (81,38,5): need two people

[2020-02-17T07:37:47] SAY: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (93,40,5): need two people for ritual

[2020-02-17T07:37:57] SAY: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (92,41,5): want me to build a base hide the rune

[2020-02-17T07:39:07] SAY: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (123,45,5): hey

[2020-02-17T07:39:14] SAY: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (123,44,5): its fine

[2020-02-17T07:39:35] SAY: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (123,46,5): i build base over this to be fair

[2020-02-17T07:39:52] SAY: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (123,46,5): so people wont find out

[2020-02-17T07:40:13] SAY: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (123,46,5): ok im building a base now

[2020-02-17T07:43:26] LOOC: Drizzle (123,46,5): Is it even allowed to willingly join the cult?

[2020-02-17T07:43:34] LOOC: Cassian Kirkson (124,45,5): hell if I know

[2020-02-17T07:43:41] LOOC: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (123,45,5): i think it is perhaps

[2020-02-17T07:43:49] LOOC: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (123,45,5): i mean i can say you tie me up

[2020-02-17T07:45:32] LOOC: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (123,45,5): do yall have rune of enlightment

2020-02-17T07:45:05] ADMIN: Adminhelp: Drizzl: There is a guy who just sort of willingly wants to join the cult. Will we be in trouble if we convert him? - heard by 4 non-AFK admins.

[2020-02-17T07:45:31] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Drizzle: Did he just come up to you guys and say he wants to join?

[2020-02-17T07:46:21] ADMIN: PM: Drizzle->Abydos2: I'm not sure. We were making our way to the Lavaland when one of acolytes, Cassian Kirkson, told us a miner, Cy Moore, wants to join.

[2020-02-17T07:47:28] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Romeo247/(Cy Moore): Hi there, so why are you deliberately attempting to get yourself culted?

[2020-02-17T07:47:45] ADMIN: PM: Romeo247/(Cy Moore)->Abydos2: so i can play antag role if thats ok 

[2020-02-17T07:48:05] LOOC: Drizzle (123,46,5): Well, to be honest, it's basically admins right now. I'm not converting you without their approval.

[2020-02-17T07:48:21] ADMIN: PM: Abydos2->Romeo247/(Cy Moore): No, instead, you just earned yourself a ban from all antag roles for deliberately attempting to get yourself culted, running up to cultists and going "Sure would be great if someone cult'd me" making yourself a target.

[2020-02-17T07:48:46] ADMIN: PM: Romeo247/(Cy Moore)->Abydos2: an ban that can be a part of the role play 

[2020-02-17T07:49:47] ADMIN: Abydos2 perma-banned Romeo247/(Cy Moore) from Syndicate

[2020-02-17T07:55:33] DEADCHAT: Romeo247/(Cy Moore) (123,48,5): wow i was job ban for antag baiting 

[2020-02-17T07:56:32] ADMIN: PM: BryanR->Romeo247/(Cy Moore): You can also try your luck in upping your ban to a server one if you're going to salt about it in dead chat.

[2020-02-17T07:56:51] ADMIN: PM: Romeo247/(Cy Moore)->BryanR: well can i talk about it to you 

[2020-02-17T07:57:32] ADMIN: PM: BryanR->Romeo247/(Cy Moore):If you want to discuss it, you need to submit an appeal on the forums to discuss it with the administrator who banned you. I'm not the one who'll be handling it so I can only answer a few questions if you have them.

[2020-02-17T07:58:57] ADMIN: PM: Romeo247/(Cy Moore)->BryanR: ok i will submit an appeal on the forums but i gotta be honest   job ban for  that is lil too much  the cult could of got to me enventually if i wanted them to

[2020-02-17T07:59:44] ADMIN: PM: BryanR->Romeo247/(Cy Moore): The point is you shouldn't be handing yourself over to the cult. Its a shitty thing to do to the rest of the players and it ruins the fun of the game mode.

[2020-02-17T08:03:28] ADMIN: PM: Romeo247/(Cy Moore)->BryanR: but thats kind of the point of the game mode is to kidnap players and then other  players kidnap  them  and also could  be use as rolepay as well like some  people may actually be willing to join  and the guy  already at mining outpost  if wanted he could of got me  and if i told on them  it could make it so they could quicky  lose  

[2020-02-17T08:05:03] ADMIN: PM: BryanR->Romeo247/(Cy Moore): Yeah the point is the fact that you get kidnapped not that you hand yourself over to the cultists. If it happens it happens, if it doesn't, it doesn't. We've never allowed roleplay to willingly join because nobody in their right mind would willingly join a cult that summons an evil god that slaughters everyone, cultists included.

[2020-02-17T08:05:56] ADMIN: PM: BryanR->Romeo247/(Cy Moore):Also it would just make it way too easy for the cultists to swell their numbers and win if everyone could roleplay willingly joining the cult.

[2020-02-17T08:06:16] ADMIN: PM: BryanR->Romeo247/(Cy Moore):And it would ruin the game mode where there should be an actual struggle for the cultists to achieve their goal and the station to stop them.

2020-02-17T08:11:35] ADMIN: PM: Romeo247->BryanR/(Alyssia Roche): the people could not know that they are joining a cult like this one time i was roleplaying and the chaplain ask me to join  his relgion and a accecpted and  it was actually a spell or something that put  me  under mind control for a few minutes  and  he told me to steal from the captain  jetpackor whatever and that was ok . there could be ways for people to join with out them knowing the true purpose of the cult . 

You also appealed it on the very same day you received it, and was informed to play longer on the server. You played nothing for 2 days, to which you made a second appeal. You informed not playing isn't going to get you unbanned, so you played for a total of 6 days you played nothing between 17th to the 20th of feb, you played on the 20th, 21th, 22nd, then dropped. You then made a third appeal on the 5th of March, and was told that sitting and doing nothing isn't going to show us why you should get unbanned. You then played from the 5th of March to the 15th of March, a total of 10 days.. then again dropped. Then you come out of nowhere on the 1st of July, 4 months after this fact and immediately want to play syndicate again when no one has seen you play.

This just reinforces the idea of you just wanting to play antag and the idea of you only playing a few rounds, not do anything and then make an appeal.

 

7 hours ago, romeo247 said:

Claiming that 6 hours of game play time with not enough for a two week period .

You played a total of 6 hours for 3 days straight, then stopped. You basically played 3 rounds a day, then stopped for 12 days. You then played on average, 3 hours a day.. which is a single round or a round and a half for 9 days, then stopped for 4 months. About 121 days since the last time you played. 

7 hours ago, romeo247 said:

Claiming that I only proving that I play on this server for antagonist or fish for antagonist which is simply not true

 

7 hours ago, romeo247 said:

thinks that my only reason for playing is to be antagonist which  is not true.

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[2020-02-17T07:47:45] ADMIN: PM: Romeo247/(Cy Moore)->Abydos2: so i can play antag role if thats ok 

[2020-02-17T07:58:57] ADMIN: PM: Romeo247/(Cy Moore)->BryanR: ok i will submit an appeal on the forums but i gotta be honest   job ban for  that is lil too much  the cult could of got to me enventually if i wanted them to

[2020-02-17T08:03:28] ADMIN: PM: Romeo247/(Cy Moore)->BryanR: but thats kind of the point of the game mode is to kidnap players and then other  players kidnap  them  and also could  be use as rolepay as well like some  people may actually be willing to join  and the guy  already at mining outpost  if wanted he could of got me  and if i told on them  it could make it so they could quicky  lose

2020-02-17T08:11:35] ADMIN: PM: Romeo247->BryanR/(Alyssia Roche): the people could not know that they are joining a cult like this one time i was roleplaying and the chaplain ask me to join  his relgion and a accecpted and  it was actually a spell or something that put  me  under mind control for a few minutes  and  he told me to steal from the captain  jetpackor whatever and that was ok . there could be ways for people to join with out them knowing the true purpose of the cult . 

 

If I was sent a message asking how many hours, then I either didn't see it or had forgotten about it during other stuff which I apologies for. But we actually expect people to play the game if they want to receive an un-job ban.. not play for a few days, make an appeal, then play a few more days, stop playing entirely and then make another appeal.

Edited July 1, 2020 by Abydos

[romeo247]

 

Looking back at it. When it came to asking the cultist, I saw it as more of indirect way but if you see it as direct way of saying its fine. That is not the issue. I don’t see anywhere in the first appeal that informed me to play more on the server.  Also after I made the second appeal I was informed to play more. Which I did. I played an total of 6 hours in the two week process which was the conditions that you inform me to do . You didn’t say play everyday for two weeks and then come make another appeal . You only informed more to play more on the server and that you did not trust me because you thought that I would run up to antagonists  and beg them to convert me.  You told me to re-appeal  on the 4 of march with more time played and no negative actions.  I obeyed those conditions that you have set for me. It was also a two week period as well. You did not informed me to play everyday and if I do not play every day I feel that does not count as me not playing entirely.  Then after that appeal, I have played a total of 36 hours.  36 hours of game play time is me playing the game . I would also like to note that me playing an few rounds after my second appeal in a two week process should justified me at playing the game.  I was never informed to play the game  everyday before I make the appeal, just to play the game and have more time on the server without any negative actions which are the conditions that I have accomplish . This is the issue . That you tell me to do something  I followed those conditions then later on you tell me that I was not following them and reject my appeals. It would have been different if you told me to play a minimum amount of hours or to play everyday but that was not the case.

[necaladun]

Apologies for the delay, as we messaged to talk about this I completely forgot there was an actual post to respond to.

Aby said it pretty well, but to sum up - consistent play on the server is generally needed to show that you're not just playing to be an antag and have a legitimate interest. If someone stops playing heavily when they can't be an antag, that's a pretty clear case - and especially with intentionally getting made an antag, it seems to indicate someone who plays simply for being antag.

Since it appears you haven't played in the past month or so, it might take a bit longer until we can be sure that you're willing to stick around, even if you can't be an antag at the moment.

As Abydos has done nothing wrong here, I'll move this to resolved.