Admin complaint VS marginalorb

[Holyass]

admin Ckey: marginalorb

my key: holybluman

my discord name holybluman

date of incident 1/13/2021

nature of incident: Breaking of rule 7

brief description:   In short RDM me with out any real warning


full description: it was at the near end of the round and i was going to the shuttle too i see that the passenger ferry? (i think that it's name for the small thin shuttle) and seen the what i think was the NSR going to and think i can get a ride from there, no knowing that i can not, so i went on to it and went next to the console with phillip orrbe following behind, and that when he said "can you perhaps not?" and at the time i was thought he meant the console as i was messing round with it, and thinking that i had access to it, so i flash my card two time and said "nope" in reply to what i thought he meant if i can move the shuttle as he was not buckle yet, so i unbuckle my self and move in the middle lane and from there he just RDM me and then drag my body out and thats about it.    


In closing notes:  he can had done a better job at it by giving out a warning to leave the shuttle and go to the other one, or clarifying what he meant to say better and above.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Holyass

[Esenno]

For the record. They ahelped afterwards claiming they were RDMed. I explained to them specifically that a CentComm officer is allowed to ignore Space law and execute people. They then went and quoted space law to me to which I explained once again that CentComm officers are allowed to ignore Space law. I spent the rest of that round as well as a good portion of the first round trying to explain this to them as clearly as I could. However they either refused to listen or didn't understand what I was telling them then proceeded to ask for the Ckey of the admin who executed him to which I gave it to him.

[Holyass]

i'm am not refusing to listen, i did listen and i clearly understand what you were trying to say,  however you just keep dismissing it,  and this is all about to tell the admin in question that he or she can do better, and this is as much as a complaint vs you too Esenno.

as i was trying to say some stuff that was very good constructive feedback and was just keep being dismissed about it and just told off to that CentComm officers are allowed to ignore Space law lesson.


In short what i'm trying to say is.


One.

He can had handle it better by clarifying what he meant to say.

Two.

Be more patient about it as dealing with new players or a returning player be not easy sometime but it's worth it

Three.

And not be hasty.



I'm really trying to give feedback but all i'm getting is stonewalled...     (feel like i'm just getting slap in the face for trying to even to say something that can help you guys and being dismissed about and belittle about it at the same time which FEEL frustrating and just want not recommended the server to others)



I only made the thread so it can leave a record of it anyways and that about it.

Edited January 14, 2021 by Holyass

[Abydos]

Spoiler

[2021-01-14T04:19:21] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (41,113,1):  'The surviving crew can take the standard emergency shuttle.'

[2021-01-14T04:19:25] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (40,111,1):  'aye'

[2021-01-14T04:19:31] SAY: Edgar Miller (40,106,1):  'Well thank you very much'

[2021-01-14T04:19:58] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (44,116,1):  'disembark please'

[2021-01-14T04:20:14] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (42,133,1):  '...Who are you?'

[2021-01-14T04:20:18] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (42,111,1):  'Aboard the cyberiad'

[2021-01-14T04:20:20] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (42,111,1):  'we have our orders'

[2021-01-14T04:20:27] SAY: Gabaghoul Smith (47,117,1):  'do i need to leave?'

[2021-01-14T04:20:29] SAY: Gamma ERT 553 (43,116,1): you have to disembark

[2021-01-14T04:20:31] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (46,116,1):  'yyes'

[2021-01-14T04:20:37] SAY: Gabaghoul Smith (47,117,1):  'ok'

[2021-01-14T04:21:16] SAY: Gamma ERT 553 (41,110,1): what do we do with it?

[2021-01-14T04:21:21] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (45,133,1):  'An emergency evacuation shuttle should be arriving soon, I suggest heading for departures.'

[2021-01-14T04:21:23] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (42,113,1):  'leave it on the station'

[2021-01-14T04:21:32] SAY: Gamma ERT 553 (40,112,1): will bring it into vault

[2021-01-14T04:21:36] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (42,112,1):  'aye'

[2021-01-14T04:21:36] SAY: Edgar Miller (40,132,1):  'why can't i escape on this'

[2021-01-14T04:21:45] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (42,111,1): (Response Team) 'Commander, nuke is being returned to vault'

[2021-01-14T04:21:46] EMOTE: Holybluman/(Oak) (40,107,1): Oak waves

[2021-01-14T04:21:48] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (43,132,1):  'Because, you can't.'

[2021-01-14T04:21:49] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (42,108,1):  'disembarl'

[2021-01-14T04:21:53] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (42,105,1):  'disembark, even'

[2021-01-14T04:22:39] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (43,116,1):  'we'll revive em back at CC'

[2021-01-14T04:22:42] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (38,133,1):  'Can you perhaps not?'

[2021-01-14T04:22:46] SAY: Holybluman/(Oak) (35,133,1):  'nope'

[2021-01-14T04:22:55] SAY: Gamma ERT 553 (41,117,1): nuclear device was returned safely to vaults

[2021-01-14T04:22:56] ADMIN: Holybluman/(Oak) requested to move the transport ferry to Centcom.

[2021-01-14T04:22:59] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (42,115,1):  'thank you'

[2021-01-14T04:23:06] SAY: Captain Vasilyev (42,115,1): (Response Team) 'Commander sir, awaiting you'

[2021-01-14T04:23:16] SAY: Phillip Orrbe (38,134,1):  'Aaaalright then. So be it. Can't say I didn't warn you.'

[2021-01-14T04:23:23] ATTACK: Phillip Orrbe (44,133,1) against Holybluman/(Oak)(38,133,1): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/beam/pulse

[2021-01-14T04:23:23] ATTACK: Phillip Orrbe (44,133,1) against Holybluman/(Oak)(39,133,1): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/beam/pulse

[2021-01-14T04:23:23] ATTACK: Phillip Orrbe(44,133,1) against Holybluman/(Oak)(39,133,1): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/beam/pulse

[2021-01-14T04:23:24] ATTACK: Phillip Orrbe (44,133,1) against Holybluman/(Oak)(40,133,1): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/beam/pulse

[2021-01-14T04:23:24] GAME: Holybluman/(Oak) fell unconscious at The Transport Shuttle (40,133,1) (/area/shuttle/transport)

[2021-01-14T04:23:24] ATTACK: Phillip Orrbe (44,133,1) against Holybluman/(Oak)(41,133,1): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/beam/pulse

[2021-01-14T04:23:25] ATTACK: Phillip Orrbe (44,133,1) against Satanacio666/(BIG Phaenis)(36,133,1): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/beam/pulse

[2021-01-14T04:23:26] ATTACK: Phillip Orrbe (44,133,1) against Satanacio666/(BIG Phaenis)(35,133,1): Shot with a /obj/item/projectile/beam/pulse

[2021-01-14T04:23:57] ADMIN: Adminhelp: Holybluman/(Oak): well that was RDM... - heard by 6 non-AFK admins.

[2021-01-14T04:25:12] ADMIN: PM: Esenno->Holybluman/(Oak): >You were told to leave. CentComm officers can ignore space law. It's not RDM. It's what happens when you ignore CC officers.

[2021-01-14T04:25:40] ADMIN: PM: Holybluman/(Oak)->Esenno: No not really, i was thinking he was asking if i can move the shuttle, Was not at all was to leave the shuttle.

[2021-01-14T04:26:04] ADMIN: PM: Holybluman/(Oak)->Esenno: Phillip Orrbe asks, "Can you perhaps not?"

[2021-01-14T04:26:12] ADMIN: PM: Holybluman/(Oak)->Esenno: thats all he said.

[2021-01-14T04:26:35] ADMIN: PM: Holybluman/(Oak)->Esenno: and when he said it i was next to the console so i was thinking he was talking about the console

[2021-01-14T04:27:30] ADMIN: PM: Holybluman/(Oak)->Esenno: so in short, I was not told to get off or had no warning given or was told other wise beside Phillip Orrbe asks, "Can you perhaps not?" Which Can BE point to the other player that was along too

[2021-01-14T04:27:36] ADMIN: PM: Esenno->Holybluman/(Oak): That's how it goes. You should know better. You did not. Now you do.

[2021-01-14T04:27:46] ADMIN: PM: Holybluman/(Oak)->Esenno: Still RDM

[2021-01-14T04:27:57] ADMIN: PM: Holybluman/(Oak)->Esenno: with no real warning

[2021-01-14T04:28:59] ADMIN: PM: Holybluman/(Oak)->Esenno: Murder is not acceptable for non-antags. Killing should only be done in extreme self-defense, during an authorized execution, or in any situation Security can employ lethal force. If you wish to murder, or at least seriously injure, someone, Administrator permission is required

[2021-01-14T04:29:25] ADMIN: PM: Esenno->Holybluman/(Oak): What part of CentComm officers are free to ignore space law did you not understand?

[2021-01-14T04:31:04] ADMIN: PM: Holybluman/(Oak)->Esenno: -.- Yes they can ignore space law but they cant just RDM freely too, they must give warnings at least 2 or three

You see people are being thrown off by CC + ERT saying they cannot use it to escape. The ERT Captain told you to get off, you forced your way in anyway. CC asked "Could you not" as in "Could you not force your way onto the shuttle and get off", to which you replied nope.

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CC officers have the authority to alter, or waive, Space Law / SOP for the current shift. They always take their job very seriously, and failure to obey their commands can result in the termination of one's contract and life. They are not the good guys - and they own your contract.

 

Spoiler

[2021-01-14T04:36:24] ADMIN: Adminhelp: Holybluman/(Oak): About that Random death match,  I say that the NTR did not give the right warning at all and just was short temper and just RDM me so he did not had to deal with me by talking, which can had Solved the problem - heard by 6 non-AFK admins.

[2021-01-14T04:36:50] ADMIN: PM: Esenno->Holybluman/(Oak): That wasn't the NT Rep at all. That was a Nanotrasen Naval Officer.

[2021-01-14T04:39:52] ADMIN: PM: Holybluman/(Oak)->Esenno: In any event still can had talk to me and not just gun me down, and  just talk to me, beside  Phillip Orrbe asks, "Can you perhaps not?"   and  that was "Not" very clear orders at all.

[2021-01-14T04:40:50] ADMIN: PM: Esenno->Holybluman/(Oak): I mean... you were on a CentComm shuttle. Being asked by a CentComm officer to not. I'd ask for clarification if you were confused.

[2021-01-14T04:41:10] ADMIN: PM: Esenno->Holybluman/(Oak): This was not a case of RDM at all. This was a case of you learning something.

[2021-01-14T04:47:09] ADMIN: PM: Holybluman/(Oak)->Esenno: yes sir, i had learn that  they can just kill me at any time now  that was sarcasm   and in any event, and with my opinion he handle it the wrong way and if i were to be a new player or a player that don't know a lot then I will had think they just RDM for no good reason at all, and I highly Stress that, it can teach them the Wrong way too, if they play for a long time here too or  be lucky to pick to be a ERT and just start mass RDM because they were RDM by a ERT or centcom 

[2021-01-14T04:49:00] ADMIN: PM: Esenno->Holybluman/(Oak): Look. I've explained what happened. The admin who executed you was not in the wrong.

[2021-01-14T04:50:34] ADMIN: PM: Holybluman/(Oak)->Esenno: Can i  have the Admin's name please, so i can file a complaint on the forums

[2021-01-14T04:51:03] ADMIN: PM: Esenno->Holybluman/(Oak): Marginalorb was the admin.

 

Edited January 14, 2021 by Abydos

[Holyass]

To self quote my self

1 hour ago, Holyass said:

not knowing that i can not

i'm a returning player so i may had forgotten a few things and and was only told so far on the medship that i cant catch a ride there,

and Self quoting my self once more

 

1 hour ago, Holyass said:

it was at the near end of the round and i was going to the shuttle too i see that the passenger ferry? (i think that it's name for the small thin shuttle) and seen the what i think was the NSR going to and think i can get a ride from there

but in the end was to be killed off after giving a poor of a excuse of words that hardly be called a warning...

but that this point i can not give a frick about it now, i'm just done.


good night, all and may you have a nice night.
 

Edited January 14, 2021 by Holyass

[necaladun]

Hi there,

First of all I'd like to clear things up for you and anyone else reading this as to how CC Naval Officer operate, because you seem a bit confused about the powers of CC officers and what "RDM" is.

RDM, or random death match, is attacking people for no reason. Admins generally use RDM to describe new players who start randomly bashing people with a toolbox. "RDM, no response to PM" is a very common ban reason. This was not the case at all. It wasn't just treating the game as some random death match. You were executed with a reason - boarding the shuttle, attempting to send it, and saying no to a request. 

You also said that "Yes they can ignore space law but they cant just RDM freely too, they must give warnings at least 2 or three" - this is absolutely not the case. CC Naval officers employ Death Squads to nuke the station. 

(Thank you for logs, @Abydos.)

Looking over your conversation, none of this was phrased as "constructive criticism". You repeatedly argued with the Esenno, when you were in the wrong. Esenno listened to you. He heard you out. He responded to you. Just because you didn't like what he had to say doesn't mean he was dismissing you. You ask him to be more patient, but he discussed this with you for roughly 26 minutes. 

Hopefully you'll take in my clarification above.

Complaint is without merit, moving to resolved.