Cocacolagua Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 I decided to write this forum post due to https://github.com/ParadiseSS13/Paradise/pull/15756's suggestion of removing the hijack objective. A point that was made by the PR author a lot was (As I understood it) that the crew cannot fight back against the hijacker, therefore they get utterly cucked and have to twiddle their thumbs until security deals with them. So, the suggestion and topic of discussion here will be: ¿Should the hijacker be valid to kill for any crewmember? ¿How would the change be made?: Adding "Hijackers" as an exception of Rule 8, specifically in the "Antagonists that seek to destroy the station itself (Blob, Nuclear Operatives, Malfunctioning AI or Swarmers), or exterminate the whole crew (Xenomorphs or Wizards) are exempt from this Rule" part. Of course the hijacker could also be given a mechanical bonus due to the change, up for discussion on what that could be / should be. Consequences that could come from this change: ¿The hijacker now will need to prepare for longer due to higher odds of losing? ¿The powergaming scale gets upped once more, ending up with hijackers and the rest of the crew on an arms race for who can out-powergame the other? ¿Roleplay standards on these rounds lower, or do they increase due to the hijacker having to re-think going loud? So yeah, do you think this would be a good change for the antagonist? 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/20491-valid-saladitus-for-hijackers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliminator Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 yes Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/20491-valid-saladitus-for-hijackers/#findComment-154074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S34N Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 The big problem with this is, how do the crew (or even sec for that matter) determine if someone is a hijacker, as opposed to a regular antag. By the time they've gone loud, it's already too late. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/20491-valid-saladitus-for-hijackers/#findComment-154075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viz Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 one issue is people validing traitors and saying they thought they were a hijacker Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/20491-valid-saladitus-for-hijackers/#findComment-154076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AffectedArc07 Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, S34N said: The big problem with this is, how do the crew (or even sec for that matter) determine if someone is a hijacker, as opposed to a regular antag. By the time they've gone loud, it's already too late. 11 minutes ago, Woje said: one issue is people validing traitors and saying they thought they were a hijacker These are the major issues with this idea. Had it been this easy I would have just pinged headmins for a rule revision. This change will just result in ungodly amounts of validhunting for regular traitors because "B-BUT HE COULD BE A HIJACKER" Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/20491-valid-saladitus-for-hijackers/#findComment-154077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted March 28, 2021 Posted March 28, 2021 The solution to one problem is not to worsen another. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/20491-valid-saladitus-for-hijackers/#findComment-154087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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