Charliminator Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 What do admins think of people constructing cameras in maints? when/when are they not okay. can maint drones make them? is it powergaming? a couple different admins have given me different answers and I always feel weird ahelping about it because there is no general consensus on it. I would love to hear the communities/admins/heads thoughts on this. In my opinion I believe they shouldn't be built on blue/green under the powergaming rule. 2 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 I personally feel it should fall under the powergaming rules. Especially for maintenance drones, as this sort of thing violates the spirit purpose behind them being a thing. It's done explicitly to prevent antagonists from 'winning' and is fairly poor form. The only exception I can see is if an antagonist has obliterated security and the last line of defense is the AI. 3 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
S34N Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 The only reason they are built is to try and facilitate redtexting antags. There is a reason these areas have no cameras from a map design standpoint. The AI can already be overbearing as an antag, letting them see into maints is just pain. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreML Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 One thing that should probably be noted (although admittedly I've never seen one do this) is that the AI can be an antagonist too, and a malfunctioning AI would benefit greatly from maintenance cameras. They actually have an IC reason to build them as well. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 Just now, SabreML said: One thing that should probably be noted (although admittedly I've never seen one do this) is that the AI can be an antagonist too, and a malfunctioning AI would benefit greatly from maintenance cameras. They actually have an IC reason to build them as well. There are a few small instances where cameras in maintenance would be fine, this technically being one such situation. However, by doing this in an environment where this sort of thing typically wouldn't be allowed would likely only end up with the AI being meta'd. 2 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AffectedArc07 Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 tldr no Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliminator Posted July 28, 2021 Author Posted July 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, AffectedArc07 said: tldr no no what? no its not powergaming? no the rules aren't going to be elaborated on/changed? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AffectedArc07 Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Charliminator said: no what? no its not powergaming? no the rules aren't going to be elaborated on/changed? No as in my opinion of whether it should be done or not is no. I doubt the rules will be changed, but it is something I dislike. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
necaladun Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Spacemanspark said: fall under the powergaming rules If there's an actual threat that somehow requires this, that's one thing - same as any other response and preparedness. It very much counts as 'overprepared'. If there's something very bad like slings, or cult are continually using the incinerator as a base - then it comes under 'an attempt to fight back', and thus should only be done with authorisation, overseen by security etc. 1 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 1 minute ago, necaladun said: If there's an actual threat that somehow requires this, that's one thing - same as any other response and preparedness. It very much counts as 'overprepared'. If there's something very bad like slings, or cult are continually using the incinerator as a base - then it comes under 'an attempt to fight back', and thus should only be done with authorisation, overseen by security etc. Agreed. My stance is concerning contextless, pre-emptive situations. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
necaladun Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Spacemanspark said: My stance is concerning contextless, pre-emptive situations. Very much this. Escalate things based on the context - nuke ops coming? Go nuts to spot them. Antag hanging in one area being trouble? Sure. Pre-emptive escalation is shitty, but doing it in direct response to a specific threat is something else entirely. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliminator Posted July 28, 2021 Author Posted July 28, 2021 So as a targeted response in small areas its okay? What about larger areas? Like the entirety of maint because of vampires? I apologize if I'm asking too many questions I just don't want to ahelp and look a fool Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyet Posted July 28, 2021 Posted July 28, 2021 12 hours ago, Charliminator said: What do admins think of people constructing cameras in maints? when/when are they not okay. can maint drones make them? is it powergaming? a couple different admins have given me different answers and I always feel weird ahelping about it because there is no general consensus on it. I would love to hear the communities/admins/heads thoughts on this. In my opinion I believe they shouldn't be built on blue/green under the powergaming rule. On green, its considered powergaming, and not okay. On red (ie: with a known threat) its permissible. Drones should probably not do it regardless of code level. They should focus on repairs. Drones installing new cameras comes across as ghosts just trying to make the antags fail. 5 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esenno Posted July 29, 2021 Posted July 29, 2021 What Neca says pretty much sums up my stance on things. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliminator Posted July 29, 2021 Author Posted July 29, 2021 Okay, thanks for the clarification. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/21227-admins-stance-on-maintenance-cameras/#findComment-158321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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