Complaint against trial admin, Meow19.

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Hello, 

Earlier today I was attacked completely unprompted by another player on the server by the name of Giuseppe Colombo. He was the QM for Cargo at the time, pushed me into the mining room so that I'd get stuck, then ignored any attempts at being let go. As soon as I let myself back into the room, I was chased down and stabbed with a screw driver. I attempted to run away to avoid conflict but was cornered, and attacked again until finally going down and hitting the floor. I grabbed the pick axe I had, and hit the guy back in self defense. Shortly after this happened, and the matter was resolved to completion by the security staff and admins, I was separately contacted by a trial admin named, Meow19 who berated me and made me out to be the issue here when all I did was act in self defense. This guy was unprofessional, didn't listen to anything I was saying, and just wanted to belabor the point (that had already been addressed at that point). I've pasted the conversation below along with him unjustly banning me for disagreeing with his assessment, and closing with him not being fit to be an admin. You read that right, I was banned for disagreeing with the trial admin's assertion.  

I didn't like that I was being harassed unnecessarily by this guy after the fact, while the guy who started this in the first place was allowed to return as QM, and seemingly received NO punishment for his actions of attacking me unprompted. This left a bad taste in my mouth about the way this server is ran, and also speaks volumes to this Meow19 person being completely unexperienced in resolving conflict. This whole ordeal left me out of the game for more than an hour, but no consideration was made that I was the victim in all of this.

His reasoning for this ban was cited below.

"Reason: Leading to death of other crew member in self defence is not allowed, refusal to understand the problem in whole situation and ignoring anything im saying on top of horrible attitude while not knowing anything about the rules then saying "im trying way too hard" and that im "unfit" to be an admin because i spent lots of time trying to politely explain what is the problem is not a good way to start experience on our server, please appeal on forums.."

I do not feel that this person should be an admin, he's completely incompetent and immature. Just because someone doesn't agree with your opinion, shouldn't be grounds for being banned. What's worse is that the person who attacked me first, got a slap on the wrist and did not receive the same level of harassment that I did. 

Quote

Meow19: Hey there, got a minute to talk? 
Roreax6: about what? 
Meow19: regarding the fight earlier you had, while i understand combat can be chaotic and stressful, you should limit self defence to disarming the assailant and try to run away instead of hurting the assailant until his life is at risk, if they fell to the floor it's a good sing to stop hitting them, especially when they stopped hurting you with the screwdriver and started harmlessly pushing over, okay? 
Roreax6: disarming when hes literally chasing me with a screw driver and had already stabbed me in the head, I'm partially blinded by that still am btw, I acted quickly to defend myself i do not feel i was in the wrong 
Roreax6: He attacked me for no reason and im glad he got floored tbh 
Meow19: i know that he stabbed you with screwdriver, but later into the fight when you were still at decent health he was only disarming you, which was nice from his to de-escalate the conflict after you broke the window in his office 
Roreax6: decent health? what are you talking about he almost killed me i was passed out on the floor and needed to be carried to med. Not to mention he locked me in the room i was stuck in thats what caused this entire argument when i broke the window to get out which i was trying to repair he stabbed me  
Roreax6: he was in the wrong, i wasnt plain and simple. 
Roreax6: I did nothing to deserve him doing that  
Roreax6: the fact that he got a slap on the wrist and demoted for attacking another player for no reason is just unacceptable. 
Roreax6: you saying it was "nice of him 
Roreax6: is just absurd. 
Meow19: i agree that he shouldn't have attacked you stiraght away and he was talked to by an admin about it, do not worry, the only problem is that you need to understand that you can't put someones life at risk as self defence 
Roreax6: Yeah its nice that he stabbed me in the head for no reason , great guy. 
Roreax6: Well, if someone comes up to me with intention to kill me (he would have if i didnt knock him down), what else can i do? I tried to run and he caught up to me and literally knocked me to the floor while stabbing me. 
Roreax6: there was also a witness who observed the entire thing and gave his testimony as well. 
Meow19: he died from the fight, you weren't even close to the "critical state" which indicates heart failure and is life threatning condition. 
Roreax6: he hit me in the eye with a screw driver and i was in critical condiition when i was escorted to med bay so im not sure what you're talking about. 
Roreax6: and i hit him with a pick axe, makes sense... 
Roreax6: he attacked me, i attacked back. 
Roreax6: he was in the wrong there. 
Meow19: i have logs on top of seeing the entire thing myself, at one point he started only disarming you/shoving you which deals 0 damage but you retaliated with a pickaxe which re-escalated the conflict. 
Roreax6: i retaliated AFTER HE STABBED ME  
Roreax6: dude like are you kidding me here? you're not giving him shit for attacking me for NO reason you're harassing me when all i did was defend myserlf  
Meow19: please try to calm down and try to read what i wrote, im trying to explain to you how combat as *non antagonist* works. 
Roreax6: im not going to apologize for defending myself i dont care about this either way. he was in the wrong he attacked me first and didnt get punished and all i get is shit from an admin about a guy attacking me for no reason its just absurd. 
Roreax6: thats the truth of the matter. He should have been kicked for attacking another player for no reason and instead hes rewarded. 
Meow19: Defending yourself is all right as i mentioned, but you re-escalated the conflict and dealt much more damage to him which lead to death, it is not acceptable in this situation regardless if he started the conflict (which he was talked to by an admin about) that's all im trying to get you to understand. 
Meow19: He was not rewarded. 
Roreax6: i escalated it by attacking him back? thats bullshit i'm sorry. 
Roreax6: guy stabbed me i hit him with a pick axe seems fairly straight forward. 
Roreax6: i defended myself. 
Roreax6: he only died because when i was blinded i evidently hit him when he was on the floor. 
Roreax6: that wasnt intentional i couldnt see. 
Roreax6: my vision is still blurry from him stabbing me.... 
Roreax6: and im sorry a demotion from QM so that he can be a QM elsewhere with no jail time isnt being punished.... 
Roreax6: you rewarded his behavior. 
Roreax6: i had no means of protecting myself from his attacks. 
Roreax6: i should have not been in the position of having to defend myself in the first place that was HIS FAULT. 
Meow19: Okay i need to be straight forward here, since i have the logs on top of seeing everything myself i can tell you that both of your behaviours was unacceptable, if you still decide to ignore what im saying and refusing to admit your fault then its a breach of rule 1 and it won't help you in playing the server problem-free in the future  
Meow19: I cant demote him for attacking you, admins are OOC thing and it's command and legal department job to demote him for anything he has done wrong. 
Meow19: Before discussing rules with an admin i'd recommend you read them at least once because its apparent you have not read anything about the self defence rule. 
Roreax6: im not going to admit fault when another asshole attacked me unnecessarily for no reason. You're asking me to agree with you that I was at fault and I didn't ENTICE nor start what prompted him stabbing me in the first place. You saying my actions of defending myself being wrong is kind of absurd. No offense to you at all, I know you're doing your job and all but I'm not going to agree that I caused this, I did not ask the guy to attack me, I did not deserve to be attacked, and i'm not going to admit that it was my fault to begin with. 
Meow19: I meant the way you defended yourself, not the fact that you defended yourself. 
Roreax6: because i hit him back because, from what you're saying its reading as if me hitting him back is the issue here  
Roreax6: and thats what i dont understand. 
Roreax6: the fact he died was an accident, he was on the floor evidently and I hit him again and thats what did him in. I didn' 
Roreax6: I didnt intend that to happen but im also confident that this guy didn't get nearly as much of a talking to as what you're having with me right now and he was the agressor its just bullshit. 
Roreax6: im not happy about this situation and you treating the victim like the one thats the issue is upsetting to say the least while that asshole gets to play and have a good time  
Meow19: I have decided to note you for the accident of self antag due to excessive violence in case of self defence, on top of that you will be noted for breach of rule 1, if you disagree with the decision you can file an admin complaint but for now the decision is final and i won't have conversation about this with you since you are ignoring most things i write anyways. 
Roreax6: im not ignoring anything you're just trying way too hard here. 
Meow19: In future please read server rules before you try to argue whether something was a breach of rules or not. 
Roreax6: You're also disregarding everything im saying havent addressed one point i had so i dont care. 
Roreax6: Trial admins try way too hard. 
Roreax6: you should be doing your job and going after the shit head that attacked me first  
Roreax6: not the guy that defended himself. 
Roreax6: you're literally unfit to be an admin and I will be filing a complaint about this. 

 

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Hi all, I'd like to rescind this complaint against meow19. I've since spoken to them over discord, and have since realized that I was in the wrong in this situation. At the end of the day, I should have listened to what Meow was trying to relay to me regarding the self-defense rule, and they were just trying to do their job.

Thanks for the help with this.

[necaladun]

Moving to resolved, as the two have worked things out. 

@XORbeing able to admit fault and realise you're wrong is a rare quality on the internet, you should be proud. It's a rare quality.