Squeek Posted January 6, 2022 Posted January 6, 2022 This could also be a bug report but that section appeared locked to me. Not even 1 hour ago I was playing as changeling with the objective of killing another player. The player went into a cryogenic pod before I could reach them so I got a message from the server saying that my objective was now unreachable and I had a new objective. The new objective was: (forgive me for the low quality) Alberto Carr also was a changeling and yet the game set them as a target for me (at the time I still didn't know that he was a changeling). Being focused on the kill I didn't watch the chat and I noticed too late that my objective was effectively also an ally at the same time... I don't know if it was a bug or if changelings are supposed to kill each other sometimes, in the second scenario I suggest to change this setting as it doesn't make much sense in my opinion. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/22075-changelings-should-not-have-other-changelings-as-objectives/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esenno Posted January 6, 2022 Posted January 6, 2022 This is the part of the forums for suggesting events. As in admin events. This would fit more in the actual suggestions area for suggesting it as a change. Changelings are, to the best of my knowledge, supposed to be able to have each other as targets that's part of the game because not all antags are supposed to be able to fully trust each other. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/22075-changelings-should-not-have-other-changelings-as-objectives/#findComment-163409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted January 7, 2022 Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) Yeah as things currently stand, despite them being able to communicate with each other through a "hive mind", they aren't actually a team antag. Like traitors n vamps they CAN work together but don't NEED to. Edited January 7, 2022 by ZN23X moved this to suggestions Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/22075-changelings-should-not-have-other-changelings-as-objectives/#findComment-163414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rythen Posted January 7, 2022 Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) Traitors can also communicate with eachother over syndicate comms. Being able to communicate with eachother privately doesn't necessarily mean they are all friendly with eachother. Just like Esseno said, I personally think the possibility of another traitor or changeling betraying you after working together adds a little extra excitement. It makes it so that if you want to work with other traitors or changelings it becomes a risk vs. reward scenario. Edited January 7, 2022 by Rythen Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/22075-changelings-should-not-have-other-changelings-as-objectives/#findComment-163418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberatedWaveMan Posted January 7, 2022 Posted January 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, Rythen said: Traitors can also communicate with eachother over syndicate comms. Being able to communicate with eachother privately doesn't necessarily mean they are all friendly with eachother. Just like Esseno said, I personally think the possibility of another traitor or changeling betraying you after working together adds a little extra excitement. It makes it so that if you want to work with other traitors or changelings it becomes a risk vs. reward scenario. The only main problem with it though, at least from what I've seen, is that changeling targets are very hard to pursue if they change identity at any point in time, similar to if your target were to get plastic surgery. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/22075-changelings-should-not-have-other-changelings-as-objectives/#findComment-163419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeek Posted January 7, 2022 Author Posted January 7, 2022 8 hours ago, ZN23X said: Yeah as things currently stand, despite them being able to communicate with each other through a "hive mind", they aren't actually a team antag. Like traitors n vamps they CAN work together but don't NEED to. It kinda conflicts with the fact they even have an hive mind tho. While with traitors it works because they are individuals who, according to the lore, don't even necessarily have to be actual undercover agents and could actually be simple employees that were intimidated to do stuff, in the case of changelings it doesn't feel like making much sense, especially with the hive mind feature (that would confirm they are in fact all part of a larger entity). Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/22075-changelings-should-not-have-other-changelings-as-objectives/#findComment-163420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charliminator Posted January 7, 2022 Posted January 7, 2022 Grey's have a hive mind, they are seperate entities Not much changeling lore actually exists. A better suggestion would be to straight up tell you, assassinate ms. Theta the changeling. And then give you an option to get an ability which is like a pinpointer for changelings. And that would make the objective much more interesting. 2 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/22075-changelings-should-not-have-other-changelings-as-objectives/#findComment-163421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeakPerformance Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 Other codebases have ways for changelings to tell/track other changelings and that's something I'd love for us to have, as I do agree antag v antag gameplay is some of the most interesting there is but trying to find a disguised cling can be nigh impossible. Remember there's already a cling discussion thread opened, feel free to add to the discussion there if you have some ideas on how to improve changelings ! 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/22075-changelings-should-not-have-other-changelings-as-objectives/#findComment-163426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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