Eldrin-Kanthos Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Could we add to the robotcist machine the ability to print IPC heads and torsos? At least the torsos. The heads could be printable to as to let posibrains that get activated be turned into IPC. In theory I suppose you might be able to put a normal brain in there. The torso though is much needed. Many times when an IPC is killed their head gets lost from their body. I have spent many rounds silently cursing as my head was found, but not my body. If both are added this could allow complete IPC bodies to be created, and stockpiled. It means a quicker way to get an IPC back into a round if the roboticist does their job, or a way for them to make a new player that is not a borg. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plotron Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 IPC-on-demand? Hmm... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-16627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted December 13, 2014 Author Posted December 13, 2014 I really think the torso would help a lot to see IPC players get back into the round as their character. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-16664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomzy Posted December 13, 2014 Posted December 13, 2014 Yes please. I hate not being able to revive robotic friends/fiends when im randomly selected as MD. If only you guys could keep your noggin intact more, har-har. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-16666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midaychi Posted December 13, 2014 Posted December 13, 2014 Sure this method works too. As long as ipcs are buildable, I can do silly things to them. Need like, an ipc painter too. Works like a pipe painter. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-16673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted December 13, 2014 Author Posted December 13, 2014 Sure this method works too. As long as ipcs are buildable, I can do silly things to them.Need like, an ipc painter too. Works like a pipe painter. This! I have seen two IPC in the game with custom colors and would love the ability to change mine! Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-16716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmage199 Posted December 13, 2014 Posted December 13, 2014 Slimes can change their colors, so should IPCs. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-16721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalseIncarnate Posted December 16, 2014 Posted December 16, 2014 Could we add to the robotcist machine the ability to print IPC heads and torsos? At least the torsos. The heads could be printable to as to let posibrains that get activated be turned into IPC. In theory I suppose you might be able to put a normal brain in there. The torso though is much needed. Many times when an IPC is killed their head gets lost from their body. I have spent many rounds silently cursing as my head was found, but not my body. If both are added this could allow complete IPC bodies to be created, and stockpiled. It means a quicker way to get an IPC back into a round if the roboticist does their job, or a way for them to make a new player that is not a borg. My main concern with this is the fact that IPCs are a karma-locked race. By allowing people to become them through gameplay like this, I feel that would severely lower the value of having spent the karma for players who already own it. However, to have the capability of repairing an IPC who's been 99% destroyed is something I'd very much support. Printing off new torsos would be great, but I don't see a reason to create new heads, as the only case this could be useful would be when the subject is debrained and the head is forever lost to the mighty singularity. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-16922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted December 16, 2014 Author Posted December 16, 2014 I am completely fine with just printing torsos. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-16951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted December 20, 2014 Author Posted December 20, 2014 Bumping this seriously. I can do without the making of IPC heads. Can we at least get the torsos? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-17385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midaychi Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 I don't really see the problem with letting people who haven't unlocked ipc still play ipc as long as they're created mid-round. Like dona nymphs. Diona are karma locked too but that doesn't stop people spawning as nymphs right? Hopefully if you can print ipc heads, there's a way to insert positrons into them. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-17387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkpaladin109 Posted December 20, 2014 Posted December 20, 2014 I don't really see the problem with letting people who haven't unlocked ipc still play ipc as long as they're created mid-round. Like dona nymphs. Diona are karma locked too but that doesn't stop people spawning as nymphs right? Hopefully if you can print ipc heads, there's a way to insert positrons into them. Wait, what? Diona aren't, and as far as I'm aware, have never been karma locked. But, to the issue of this thread. I play as IPC fairly often, and even if I don't think I've ever been in a situation where my torso was missing, it would still be a good idea to make IPC torso's avaliable in robotics. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-17394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted December 20, 2014 Author Posted December 20, 2014 My idea was that this might make reviving an IPC quicker, as the roboticist can have a full body assembled and ready. If medbay gets a head they pass it to robotics and the roboticist slaps it on the frame, done. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-17396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3hillus Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 It MIIIIGHT be a good way to get around a bug that may be still around, where a revived IPC will have a rotten torso that makes people throw up. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-17545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midaychi Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Hey, remember this thread? I remember this thread. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-34992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 IPCs need an overhaul in general, to be honest. They are plagued with bugs and generally do not perform to what they should be. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-34995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRogueAce Posted July 12, 2015 Posted July 12, 2015 Thread about IPC's? I've got a saying for that! "IPC's are weird." Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-34997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumiluntti Posted July 13, 2015 Posted July 13, 2015 Printable torsos and groins? Yes please. IPC that loses their shiny metal ass should not be permanently ded, we have the science, we can rebuild them! Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-35112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Printable torsos and groins? Yes please. IPC that loses their shiny metal ass should not be permanently ded, we have the science, we can rebuild them! If I'm correct, there was an IPC (P.I.N., I believe, was their name) who had their groin asploded by an EMP artifact. Somehow he lived after I put him together. Sadly, he lost his shiny metal ass. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-35253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Printable torsos and groins? Yes please. IPC that loses their shiny metal ass should not be permanently ded, we have the science, we can rebuild them! If I'm correct, there was an IPC (P.I.N., I believe, was their name) who had their groin asploded by an EMP artifact. Somehow he lived after I put him together. Sadly, he lost his shiny metal ass. I put together an IPC a while back who lost his groin, we found his torso and burnt out arms and legs, I couldn't put his legs back on because his groin/lower body was missing. So, we had an IPC in a wheel chair for the rest of the round. IPC bodies should be fully re-printable from Robotics, can't we add a line of code that checks Positron's for Karma unlocks? Otherwise, Science rarely gets the diamonds needed to make more Postiron brains and if we just make it so IPCs can't take Organic Brains/MMI's I don't see much problem with people circumventing an IPC Karma lock, which would still require the body of an IPC to begin with since you can't build IPC Torso's or Lower bodies either. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-35255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalseIncarnate Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Otherwise, Science rarely gets the diamonds needed to make more Postiron brains and if we just make it so IPCs can't take Organic Brains/MMI's I don't see much problem with people circumventing an IPC Karma lock, which would still require the body of an IPC to begin with since you can't build IPC Torso's or Lower bodies either. Circumventing a karma lock is entirely out of the question. This would effectively render the unlock completely useless, which would be at the bare minimum aggravating to those who already spent their karma on it. Having a check to see if they have the karma lock would be snowflakey at best in terms of the code required, and would need to be checked ONLY when they are being inserted into an IPC head as to ensure that the posibrain remains a viable choice for ghosts to return to the round as a cyborg. While science may or may not reliably get diamonds now (this will likely change with the TG mining port being worked on), there IS a posibrain on the table in robotics at round start. Further, any cyborg using the "Android" alternate title has a posibrain inside it, meaning there are additional posibrains. I can support printing off replacement torsos/groins, however that in itself would be rather problematic since it's actually the torso that is considered the mob in terms of tracking variables. This already creates some odd issues that need to be resolved regarding things such as repairing brain damage on a dead IPC, as the brain damage is (counter-intuitively) not tracked on the head/brain. So yea, allowing robotics to print off new heads and effectively build entirely new IPCs, while nice sounding, will likely not happen. This is for the same reason that there are no monkey cubes for any karma race: to avoid people bypassing the karma lock system and becoming one mid-round easily. Printing off torsos, while also nice sounding, would require a heavy amount of work for coder(s) to implement given how mobs are handled, and likely will not happen any time soon. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-35290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 This is the only server I play on that allows anyone to play Tajaran or Unathi but restricts IPCs, so the point in them being Karma locked at all is a hot topic for debate. Circumventing a karma lock is entirely out of the question. This would effectively render the unlock completely useless, which would be at the bare minimum aggravating to those who already spent their karma on it. Having a check to see if they have the karma lock would be snowflakey at best in terms of the code required, and would need to be checked ONLY when they are being inserted into an IPC head as to ensure that the posibrain remains a viable choice for ghosts to return to the round as a cyborg. And I already said there should be a check, it should be no different than Synthetic Ban checks that are supposed to happen every time someone becomes an MMI, and as I also said, there is no way to build an IPC body right now to begin with so this would require another IPC be debrained. IPCs need a complete repass when it comes to how they are coded and how they fit into the current code, the number of bugs, mishaps and general trend of things not working how they are supposed to is getting out of hand. IPCs aren't balanced at all right now, the only people who play them are the ones who have always played IPCs or just really want to be a robot; they can't self repair, there is literally no way to revive them if you lose their torso for any reason since they can't be cloned. They literally fall apart if you hit them 5 times, they apparently still take damage from low/high pressure even though they are supposed to be vacuum proof, all for not needed to eat food or breathe air, or need welding goggles. The coders/staff need to sit down and rethink this race and compare it with the other race. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-35296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fludd12 Posted July 15, 2015 Posted July 15, 2015 Guys, how about this? A machine that can be created from a circuit, which you insert a posibrain and it builds an IPC head and torso onto it automatically. It would require a single var added to posibrain code, to check if the brain was from an IPC, and it would also make it so that you don't have to worry about making a new /mob/ every single time. This could, essentially, be IPC cloning that is reliant on research and robotics. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2769-printing-ipc-heads-and-torsos/#findComment-35313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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