Wintermote Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) This isn't the first time I've had an issue with something regens has done, but it is the first time it's been enough for me to make the complaint official. Situation: Shuttle is on its way to centcom Someone blows a giant hole in the side of the shuttle and all the air gets sucked out People are dying everywhere Three or four of us are huddled in the medbay compartment, suffocating to death because the air got sucked out ~5 seconds before we hit centcom, NOCA - one of the antagonists who was with us in the medbay section, releases some chemistry concoction that starts killing the 4-5 of us. There's enough time for it to hurt people, but not enough time for it to kill anyone before the shuttle reaches centcom. NOCA gets a dayban from Regens, without any adminhelp or questioning. If you ask me, it looks like Regen took a "ban first, no questions ever" approach and I'm left wondering if he fucked up and banned NOCA for the shuttle grief happening in the rest of the shuttle - that someone else did. For which I have to wonder if that person got away with it because Regens didn't bother actually investigating the situation. Because seriously, who the hell bans people for shuttle grief five seconds before you hit centcom? Regens, apparently. A "letter of the law" situation that'll be applied rather less often than the phrase implies. But what makes it even worse, and the primary reason I'm bringing this up, is that the guy didn't even bother TALKING, and that more than anything really rubs me the wrong way. Even with the griefiest of griefers I took the time out of my day to talk to these people about what they're doing - because that's my job as an admin. This behaviour where you ban someone without even talking to them is an indication that you don't care about or take your position seriously - it's just a personal empowerment tool at that point, not a way to improve the game's community. The person playing NOCA is a friend of mine, so I am not unbiased in this situation. However I've had more than my fair share of experience as an admin both on sigurd and on /tg/station; while I may be biased, I am not speaking from a position of naivety of what admins have to deal with or how they should act. Truncated and edited logs (For clarity): Priority Announcement The Crew Transfer Shuttle has left the station. Estimate 0 minutes until the shuttle docks at Central Command. ÿThe floor lurches beneath you! The maintenance drone (957) pings. M.A.S.O.N states, "Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" Frank Baum says, "Good." ÿChloe Laroux has thrown Syndi cakes. OOC: Deanthelis: If it's anything like Aurora, they hamstring the antags with how heavy the RP has to be. ÿ!Chloe Laroux shakes Gary Plants trying to wake him up! Gary Plants says, "Come here root" Gary Plants says, "Ill uncuff you" ÿ!Chloe Laroux unbuckled ! -- This is about when the shuttle's windows get blown out -- Frank Baum gasps! Waren Martinovski gasps! Drake Johnson gasps! Gary Plants gasps! Grandpa Knittles gasps! Belu D. Evil gasps! Root says, "O JESUS" ÿ!N.O.C.A. (as Unknown) buckles in! Belu D. Evil gasps! Grandpa Knittles says, "Shit" Frank Baum says, "HEH." Drake Johnson says, "Shit" Belu D. Evil says, "OH MY GOD!" Hans says, "Oh no" Gary Plants says, "FUCK" LOOC: maintenance drone (957): lol Root says, "O GOD" Waren Martinovski gasps! ÿ!You are now getting up ÿ!Frank Baum examines himself. Waren Martinovski gasps! Drake Johnson gasps! Belu D. Evil says, "OH FUCK!" M.A.S.O.N states, "OH NO" ÿGary Plants is trying to unhandcuff Root! ÿGary Plants is trying to unhandcuff Root! ÿGary Plants is trying to unhandcuff Root! ÿYou feel a sharp pain in your head Hans gasps! Waren Martinovski gasps! Drake Johnson gasps! Zenon Pyry gasps! Grandpa Knittles gasps! Dongle Honkler gasps! Root says, "Uncuff me, amigo" ÿ!Belu D. Evil unbuckled ! ÿHans has thrown the first-aid kit. Hans gasps! Waren Martinovski gasps! Eddie Mason gasps! ÿ!Eliott Murray examines himself. Eddie Mason gasps! Dongle Honkler gasps! ÿ!Eliott Murray unbuckled ! OOC: TheEvilLemon: If your an antag, you have to stay SOLEY on your objective. Hans gasps! Waren Martinovski gasps! Belu D. Evil gasps! ÿ!You inject Hans with the emergency autoinjector. ÿYou feel a tiny prick! ÿ!10 units injected. 0 units remaining in the emergency autoinjector. OOC: Deanthelis: Kluys dems r sum nice headphones btw Gary Plants gasps! Dongle Honkler gasps! Glindy Seal says, "Engineers! fix the wall!" Eddie Mason puts the box into the satchel. ÿHans has thrown the emergency autoinjector. Grandpa Knittles puts the box into the backpack. Hans gasps! Dongle Honkler gasps! Belu D. Evil gasps! ÿ!Waren Martinovski unbuckled ! N.O.C.A. (as Unknown) puts Industrial Welding Tool into the medical backpack. ÿ!Grandpa Knittles unbuckled ! Zenon Pyry gasps! Belu D. Evil gasps! OOC: Darklordderpy: whats unbound travels? ÿ!You swallow Dexalin pill. OOC: Deanthelis: Wat. Frank Baum puts the box into the security backpack. Hans gasps! Drake Johnson coughs up blood! ÿHans has thrown Dexalin pill. Dongle Honkler gasps! Belu D. Evil starts climbing into the sleeper. Hans gasps! Drake Johnson gasps for air! N.O.C.A. (as Unknown) says, "Not my problem, now!" OOC: Deanthelis: You can't go... Do other things at all? Hans gasps! Zenon Pyry gasps! ÿ!You are now resting OOC: TheEvilLemon: A fairly popular SERIOUS/ZELOUS rp server. Hans gasps! ÿ!You check yourself for injuries. ÿMy chest is bruised. ÿ!My groin is OK. ÿ!My head is OK. ÿ!My left arm is OK. ÿ!My right arm is OK. ÿ!My right leg is OK. ÿ!My left leg is OK. ÿ!My left hand is OK. ÿ!My right hand is OK. ÿ!My left foot is OK. ÿ!My right foot is OK. The closet has been welded shut by Grandpa Knittles. Belu D. Evil says, "Haha, fuck you all." Zenon Pyry gasps! OOC: TullyBBurnalot: This is just wow OOC: Darklordderpy: I see OOC: TheEvilLemon: you cannot go outside of your objectives. Medibot [Medical] declares, "Medical emergency! Kalara Hadi'i is in critical condition at the ÿEmergency Shuttle Transit!" OOC: TullyBBurnalot: A nice finale Hans says, "No air" M.A.S.O.N states, "Hole in ship master" -- By this time I've gotten myself into a stasis bag in the medical compartment -- Hans says, "Can't" Waren Martinovski gasps! Hans says, "Breathe" OOC: MarinaRomanenko: wow, that was unexpected. See ya later, shuttle! Zenon Pyry gasps! Dongle Honkler gasps! Belu D. Evil says, "HAVE FUN MOTHERFUCKERS!" OOC: TullyBBurnalot: QUICK, EVERYONE RUN OUTSIDE Something is not right with your left foot... Dongle Honkler gasps! Drake Johnson says, "Damn it" OOC: Deanthelis: That's pretty dumb as hell. O well. Your left foot is shaped normally again. OOC: Darklordderpy: is the server where your on a starship still around? Waren Martinovski gasps! OOC: Xyntasia: Griff Hans says, "Everyone's dying" N.O.C.A. (as Unknown) says, "Oh! The Virologist." Zenon Pyry gasps! Waren Martinovski gasps! Zenon Pyry gasps! Eddie Mason screams! Waren Martinovski gasps! Dongle Honkler gasps! OOC: Rain Twister: This is the server were a HONK mech is a possibility Zenon Pyry gasps! Dongle Honkler gasps! OOC: GodOfOreos: man, I remember seeing that station back when I first started playing, wish I could go back on there one day Drake Johnson says, "When we reach the centcomm run to it" Zenon Pyry gasps! Hans says, "Don't take me out of the bag" Eddie Mason screams! Zenon Pyry gasps! Waren Martinovski gasps! OOC: Earthdivine: possibility? Kalara Hadi'i gasps! Zenon Pyry gasps! Waren Martinovski gasps! Zenon Pyry gasps! Tatum Potter screams! Douglas Stone screams! OOC: Earthdivine: have you not seen the Honk Squads? Frank Baum says, "This pressure's killing me man" Medibot [Medical] declares, "Medical emergency! Waren Martinovski is in critical condition at the ÿEmergency Shuttle Transit!" OOC: Rain Twister: Indeed Dongle Honkler gasps! N.O.C.A. (as Unknown) drops what they were holding, their right hand malfunctioning! -- I believe somewhere around here is when NOCA released their chemistry concoction -- Something is not right with your groin... OOC: Xyntasia: I shouldn't have taken those pills. N.O.C.A. (as Unknown) drops what they were holding, their left hand malfunctioning! Jim Van Dijck [145.9] says, "Ah... *yawns* my nap is done did i mis--" Jim Van Dijck [145.9] says, "Shit" Eddie Mason screams! Kalara Hadi'i gasps! Dongle Honkler screams! Belu D. Evil says, "AHHHHHHHHHH" Belu D. Evil says, "HELP ME!" Eddie Mason screams! Dongle Honkler seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... Belu D. Evil says, "OH GOD!" OOC: Xyntasia: If I hadn't I might not have went into crit so quickly. Waren Martinovski gasps! OOC: Rain Twister: I routinly make one or two of them evry other day or so Belu D. Evil says, "AHUUGHH!" SkreekOS (Played by: SpaceTimeNow)'s laws at the end of the game were: !^#^. You have come to the conclusion that Randy Tilton is ugly. Build support for that conclusion. 1. Never willingly commit an evil act. 2. Respect legitimate authority. 3. Act with honor. 4. Help those in need. 5. Punish those who harm or threaten innocents. The AI's loyal minions were: S.A.N.T.A. (Played by: kluys), Kozi (Deactivated) (Played by: Kozi32), There were 3 industrious maintenance drones this round. Job Completion: Crazyh206 was Tye Field, the Roboticist (died) Task #1: Make a cyborg. (1 created.) Completed! The Roboticist did their fucking job! Dark_Rust was Armando Atkinson, the Research Director (survived) Hhswag was Emerson Begum, the Roboticist (died) Task #1: Make a cyborg. (1 created.) Completed! The Roboticist did their fucking job! British Digestive was Darien Wyatt-Knight, the Scientist (survived) Thalhalla was Riddick Jones, the Scientist (died) Spheretech was Klaxx, the Scientist (body destroyed) DagonTM was Tatum Potter, the Scientist (survived) TheAperture was Rashtash Botash, the Scientist (survived) Darksergio was Drake Johnson, the Xenobiologist (survived) Conski McGoo was Sovereign, the Scientist (survived) PingCrazi was Leland Clewett, the Xenobiologist (body destroyed) Susdeek was Shadeek Henry, the Xenobiologist (survived) The changelings were: Ragonath was Doctor Blurred (survived as Chiho Sasaki) Changeling ID: Ms. Iota. Genomes Absorbed: 4 Objective #1: Absorb 3 compatible genomes. Success! Objective #2: Assassinate John Watson, the Head of Security. Success! Objective #3: Steal a jetpack. Fail. Objective #4: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and free. Fail. The changeling has failed. The traitors were: Shadeykins was N.O.C.A. (survived) (used 0 TC) Objective #1: Steal the chief engineer's jumpsuit. Fail. Objective #2: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and free. Success! The traitor has failed! TeDgamer was Eliott Murray (survived) (used 19 TC) Objective #1: Steal the captain's antique laser gun. Success! Objective #2: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and free. Success! The traitor was successful! Crazyh206 was Tye Field (died) Objective #1: Make an example of Eliott Murray, the Brig Physician. Break one of their bones, detach one of their limbs or disfigure their face. Make sure they're alive when you do it. Fail. Objective #2: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and free. Fail. The traitor has failed! Jubba890 was Drew Zust (died) (used 20 TC) Objective #1: Make an example of Pi, the Blueshield. Break one of their bones, detach one of their limbs or disfigure their face. Make sure they're alive when you do it. Success! Objective #2: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and free. Fail. The traitor has failed! CaduPoveda was Noel Harold (died) (used 20 TC) Objective #1: Make an example of Glindy Seal, the Head of Personnel. Break one of their bones, detach one of their limbs or disfigure their face. Make sure they're alive when you do it. Fail. Objective #2: Escape on the shuttle or an escape pod alive and free. Fail. The traitor has failed! Carratacus was Ouvre Demas'triak (survived) (used 17 TC) Objective #1: Assassinate Noel Harold, the Chemist. Success! Objective #2: Hijack the emergency shuttle by escaping alone. Fail. The traitor has failed! RHAYG was Randy Tilton (died) Objective #1: Protect Tye Field, the Roboticist. Fail. The traitor has failed! The crew's final score is: 2667 Waren Martinovski gasps! Medibot [Medical] declares, "Medical emergency! Kalara Hadi'i is in critical condition at the ÿEmergency Shuttle Centcom!" Mary Robinson screams! Kalara Hadi'i gasps! ÿ!Restarting in 60 seconds HK 107 [145.9] states, "Statment: it would appear your alarm isn't very good." OOC: Tinfoiltophat: I should go roboticist next round just to make a shitton of HONK mechs Medibot is trying to inject Hans! N.O.C.A. (as Unknown) drops what they were holding, their left hand malfunctioning! N.O.C.A. (as Unknown) has grabbed Hans passively! Medibot injects Hans with the syringe! Drake Johnson says, "Damn it" Medibot beeps, "Feel better soon!" Jim Van Dijck [145.9] says, "Indeed 107" OOC: Fruerlund: please nuh Hans gasps! Kalara Hadi'i gasps! Douglas Stone screams! Hans gasps! Medibot [Medical] declares, "Medical emergency! Hans is in critical condition at the ÿEmergency Shuttle Centcom!" OOC: Rain Twister: I routinly make one or two of them evry other day or so Eliott Murray fires the laser gun! Good karma spent on B.U.P. ÿN.O.C.A. (as Unknown) attempts to force Hans to swallow Heal-All pill. Eliott Murray fires the laser gun! ÿDrake Johnson is hit by the laser in the ! Hans gasps! Eliott Murray fires the laser gun! ÿDrake Johnson is hit by the laser in the head! Eliott Murray fires the laser gun! ÿDrake Johnson is hit by the laser in the ! Eliott Murray fires the laser gun! You have 44 available. ÿDrake Johnson is hit by the laser in the left hand! Mary Robinson screams! Kalara Hadi'i seizes up and falls limp, her eyes dead and lifeless... ÿN.O.C.A. (as Unknown) forces Hans to swallow Heal-All pill. Ty'ler Hafiz puts the firefighter helmet into the satchel. ÿYou feel a stabbing pain in your chest! N.O.C.A. (as Unknown) drops what they were holding, their left hand malfunctioning! Drake Johnson gasps! OOC: Zaka888: that, was, amazing. ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... OOC: Tinfoiltophat: All you need is a welding helmet and welding tool OOC: Dark_Rust: That was a fun round as RD. ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... OOC: Tinfoiltophat: And gboom ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... OOC: Tinfoiltophat: Honk mechs ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... OOC: Rain Twister: With the bannium available on this station you could pobebly make 7 or so ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... OOC: TullyBBurnalot: Oh hey, the chef WAS a changeling ... You can almost hear someone talking ... OOC: Mijhead: I was NYMPH, dark ... You can almost hear someone talking ... OOC: TullyBBurnalot: KNW IT ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... OOC: Wintermote: So many people making it to medbay, but they just up and quit as soon as they die ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... OOC: Xyntasia: What happens if ERT breaks into centcomm? OOC: Wintermote: So they never get cloned ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ... You can almost hear someone talking ... ÿRebooting world!ÿ! Initiated by Regens! OOC: Tinfoiltophat: Way more than 7, rain. Connection failed. 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Regen Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 I banned both the guy who blew a huge hole in the shit and the guy who released smoke. Why? Because it is against the rules. The smoke was Chloral hydrate, impredezine and some other things, and the reason I banned him was because he did indeed release it before round end. I strike down at it because next time it might be Polyacid. Ban first ask later is something most admins do at shuttle, simply because its a full chaos, any attempt to communicate will just get lost in admin logs of people hitting each other, deadchat and red text of people hitting each other. I would also like to note that chemsmoke is one of the easiest way to grief on the shuttle, so its a huge red flag. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2892-regens-banning-without-adminhelping-people/#findComment-17600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeletedUser Posted December 22, 2014 Posted December 22, 2014 I can confirm, back when we still had the no-grief-at-round-end rule i used to ban end round griefers without PMing them. I only did it to OBVIOUS griefers though, like the typical baldie who just crowbars the nearest person to death with no provocation, or who releases polyacid for lulz. I did this because the ammount of spam and chaos that normally accompanied the post shuttle grief made it nearly impossible to communicate with anybody, even other admins. Hence the high ammount of abn appeals for post-shuttle-grief bans, not all of them were properly applied just because of this unability to communicate with the player. And believe me when i say i tried to PM the players who broke the no shuttle grief rule, i only once got answered back. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2892-regens-banning-without-adminhelping-people/#findComment-17624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldrin-Kanthos Posted December 23, 2014 Posted December 23, 2014 If this was yesterday morning then I fully agree. I was on the shuttle as a traitor, my target and myself fully alive. We both died to that bomb. The other guy blew smoke early. Even though it might have been right before centcomm, it still was rule breaking. If someone breaks it at 5 seconds to arrival, maybe next time it will be 10 seconds, then 30, aw hell, why not just as it arrives? It is a sliding slope. As to the lack of ahelp. He had 60 seconds to attend to it before the round ended. We have at least 30 shuttle grief unban requests that mention this issue. None of them have been found to be a valid complaint, so there is already precedent for that issue to be invalid. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2892-regens-banning-without-adminhelping-people/#findComment-17683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted December 24, 2014 Posted December 24, 2014 This issue has been looked into and fully resolved. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/2892-regens-banning-without-adminhelping-people/#findComment-17770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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