Wisewill Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Since Ponies issued that one nerf to engiborgs I've been thinking about this and have came up with what in my opinion would balance robot modules with each other so that no other single module would be drastically better than the others at just damn near everything. Here's the changes I think should be made. Medical Cyborgs Should be given Scalpel, Surgical Saw, Cautery, Retractor,Hemostat. This allows it to perform nearly all surgeries but the ones requiring hands and finer tools. Service Cyborgs Should be given Chef's Knife and the Tray should be able to Deposit food into all of the Chef's machines. This allows it to make just about all drinks and food but the more complex ones. Standard Cyborgs Should be given Soap, Sec HUD and Beaker. This allows it to perform more tasks that the other modules can do but with lesser efficiency. Security Cyborgs Should be given Pepperspray and a slight increase in Health and Speed over other modules. This module should be considered one of the toughest of the modules to destroy. Engineering Cyborgs I know their self repair just got taken away but I think making the self repair a channeled action that requires the robot to stay still would make it not nearly as OP. Other than that Engineering Cyborgs are fine Mining Cyborgs Hydraulic Clamp and the ability to store one crate or item internally. Janitor Cyborgs Should be given Bucket, Fire Extinguisher. Combat Cyborgs Already terrifying but their Thermal vision should be replaced with X-ray vision if anything. I consider this module more reliant on energy than the others so increased health or speed is not needed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Concept: Overheating. Every action the Cyborg takes should produce a base amount of heat which is charted with the currently useless fire indicator on the cyborg GUI. It can also be raised if the temperature of a room is too high/on fire. Heat would decay at a rate dependent upon the temperature of the surrounding area over time. If a cyborg is overheated its modules should begin taking electrical damage. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland410 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 I guess all of these are fine, but service borg with knife? That's like a cry to grief. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Service borg with knife is fine "would you like me to cut the cake, sir?" What got my attention is normal borgs with sec hud Why would a NORMAL borg have SECURITY hud? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisewill Posted January 2, 2014 Author Posted January 2, 2014 My reasoning is that Only two borgs currently can tell what is wrong with a person and that is medical and standard. Only one borg however can tell if someone is wanted or not without manually checking and that is the sec borg. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 exactly... Sec borgs are security, that is literately their job Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisewill Posted January 2, 2014 Author Posted January 2, 2014 But standard is suppose to be a mixmatch of all so I thought it was fitting Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cian2066 Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 if medical cyborg had those tools it should at least have bone gel and setter, and another note it would need someone to put the guy on a table, roller bed etc others i have no real problem with except the standard should not have sec vision it would have no need for it Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisewill Posted January 3, 2014 Author Posted January 3, 2014 Alright so the Sec HUD is a no go and I see that the setter and bone gel are required too pretty much. Any other suggestions? Thoughts? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland410 Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Well, I still don't think that the service borg should get a knife, but if Regens says so, then it's fine I guess, but everything else is alright in my opinion so I guess we should make these changes happen ASAP. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisewill Posted January 3, 2014 Author Posted January 3, 2014 What do you think about the Overheating Concept? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland410 Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 It's a good idea, but the best attribute of cyborgs right now is that they can go into space and into fires, so unless there will be some upgraded plate or something to build in the fabricators, I don't think it should be implemented, because it would ruin a lot of cyborg's life, for example when you holofire. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Horrible, limits cyborgs too much or is redundant, you choose The fact that they have to recharge is enough already Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisewill Posted January 5, 2014 Author Posted January 5, 2014 Alright switch mindset time. I set these suggestions out trying to balance modules with the engiborg when I should have been trying to balance it towards what cyborgs are geared for in the first place. Being generally more efficient than their organic counterparts at general aspects of their job but lacking fine or specific traits or abilities of that job. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTheHeadcrab Posted January 5, 2014 Posted January 5, 2014 This isn't really a 'balance', it's a buff. Save the overheating idea, which has already been shot down, it seems, everything on here empowers the Cyborgs more. They can already take twice the abuse of humans before dieing, and can come back from the brink of death with a welder and 5 minutes in robotics. The fact of the matter is I see you playing mostly cyborg and AI, and believe you opinion in this is biased. The changes suggested here do not make the Cyborgs better at the job they selected, it makes them more powerful as whole. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisewill Posted January 5, 2014 Author Posted January 5, 2014 Yea which is why I restated in the previous post. I wanted to bring them all up to engiborg levels but instead should be focusing on suggestions that fill the mindset that cyborgs are suppose to be more efficient at general aspects of the job module they loaded. Uc_guy mentioned maybe giving mediborgs the ability to place people in and out of cryo/sleepers or add a scanning module to their hypospray both of which are good ideas as the mediborg is fairly useless when compared to a doctor in anything but retrieving people from space. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/301-balancing-cyborg-modules/#findComment-1237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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