Machofish Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I'll throw my lot in with the original post. Being able to shrug off damage like they do is a ridiculously powerful trait in itself. I understand that their ability to be space-worthy, fireproof and not need atmosphere is part of their 'canon' - which cites that the diona developed from giant, sentient masses of millions of tiny little organisms that survived by orbiting near stars. I think their speed should be heavily nerfed as the remaining option. As suggested earlier, they should move as slow as a malnourished crewmember all of the time. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-1865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyentific Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 Honestly, Space-worthy and associated, OR shrugging off damage. One very-powerful trait, not two, and associate it with very heavy drawbacks. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-1871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotciv Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Being space-worthy implies being able to shrug off damage, seeing that so much crap is constantly flying around in space. Why don't we just meet somewhere in the middle and make them die slower from suffocation damage, and make them take a little more brute damage when attacked, but still less than humans? I also think they should take less damage or just be immune to at least low levels of electricity, seeing that they are made of wood. And of course keep them slow. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-1877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheakhan Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Crazy alternative: Don't nerf them, and make them Karma unlocked? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-1885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotciv Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I think too many species are already Karma locked. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-1889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheakhan Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I feel like "too many...already karma locked" is pretty arbitrary. If the issue is the race being overpowered, it makes sense, to me at least, to restrict its use to people who you can reasonably expect not to abuse it. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-1891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotciv Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 You're right. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-1892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyentific Posted January 23, 2014 Author Posted January 23, 2014 Crazy alternative: Don't nerf them, and make them Karma unlocked? Acceptable. What if you switch Diona and Grey on the KP lock/unlock? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-1912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheakhan Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Gray does seem a little weak to require so much Karma. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-1919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadeagle Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 I didn't actually check to see if anyone mentioned this, but the "health" meter you were referring to, Psy is actually not health at all. The meter is in fact a pain meter, and at critical or around there you will eventually pass out. Different damage types being more or less painful. In one update ponies made dionaea immune to pain damage, so that's why you see a constant 100 on it, and not because you aren't taking damage. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-2036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland410 Posted January 26, 2014 Posted January 26, 2014 Yeah, I think BS(?) made that feature, NO_BLOOD, IS_SLOW, NO_PAIN flags apply to adult dionae. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-2038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyentific Posted January 27, 2014 Author Posted January 27, 2014 Yeah, I think BS(?) made that feature, NO_BLOOD, IS_SLOW, NO_PAIN flags apply to adult dionae. The problem is that Bay relies on administration and policy to compensate for unbalanced features. A bit questionable within Bay, but completely terrible if you're not Bay. Bay banned being robust, so it doesn't matter if they code in unbalanced features. We didn't ban being robust, ergo... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-2062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted January 28, 2014 Posted January 28, 2014 The recipe for Atrazine (Plant-B-Gone) has been modified from the obscure "water+toxin" to Chlorine+Hydrogen+Nitrogen. This will make it a lot easier to make for the average chemist. The recipe is updated on our own wiki. But yes, Atrazine wrecks Diona's days--I can't comment, yet, on how overpowered they are or not, but they will not survive a couple of sprays. Also, acid wrecks them (like everything) really badly too. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-2120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZomgPonies Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 So many inaccuracies in this thread it's not even funny. Diona are so slow if you can't take one out you shouldn't be playing this game. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-2354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilia Posted February 3, 2014 Posted February 3, 2014 So many inaccuracies in this thread it's not even funny. Diona are so slow if you can't take one out you shouldn't be playing this game. Hyperzine, 50 units (one pill) lasts ages. they don't suffer drawback and it is very easy to make for a chemist. They will rarely refuse it. Remove the hyperzine effect from dionaea. And yea, the slowness makes diona very less combat and almost next to none grief preferable races. They can't outrun shit and the breach station is doable but preferable if you have magboots, by then you probably had access to an hardsuit anyway. They can escape through space at any time, givin that. They do well against npc's mobs, cause of survivability Also, don't switch them with grey for karma unlock. The only real strength of grey is acid proof. which is one of the most griefiest weapons in the game. Poly acid smoke bombing where ever you go, nobody can touch you. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-2453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misha Arsellec Lune Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 You guys forgot to mention that diona like every other non human race is literally unable to disguise themselves. Also their slow speed makes them unable to escape attackers or security. The only thing diona do really well is space travelling and maybe botany. And they don't heal burns so weld away. Increased melee damage with fists doesn't matter since nobody ever uses their punch if they have screwdrivers, extinquishers, guns, crowbars, hatchets, knives etc. The only big advantage a diona has is space travel which can be big if used right. And aren't grey's the race with the acid blood? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-2490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilia Posted February 4, 2014 Posted February 4, 2014 I didn't think they have blood. Acid bloob would be cool. I bought them recently, so i'll tell once they get fixed Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/415-nerf-diona-into-the-ground/page/2/#findComment-2492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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