monkeysfist101 Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) Vulpkanin are a polarizing subject for our community. Many players are asking for a difference in mechanics for this new race. Post your ideas here and I'll add them to this post. Pros: Speed boost when not under the effect of a speed debuff-original concept, improvedname Higher sense of smell. Can recognize certain chemicals/certain people-NTSAM, Citinited Ability to sense intent upon inspecting a player-Earthdivide "Lick Wounds" ability-monkeysfist101 Can hear whispers from 2-3x farther away-davidchan They can jump on/in objects table disposal faster-improvedname Lowlight vision-improvedname Double nutirition from food-Citinited Cons: 1.25Xstandard speed debuff effect-monkeysfist101 Colorblindness-monkeysfist101, Citinited, Streaky Haddock Higher sense of smell. Is more adversely affected by smell -NTSAM It takes less disabler shots to take you down-improvedname Flashbangs, explosions or other deafening noises (including Changeling shriek) affect them from 2-3x farther away and you're deaf just a long-davidchan Easier to knock down (Didgitgrade legs and whatnot)-improvedname Easier to get eye damage-improvedname Need more oxygen to survive-Citinited No dual weild-Citinited Edited June 10, 2015 by Guest Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark lord derpy Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 My problem with the Vulpakin is that I feel that they fill a roll already filled, they are too much like tajaran in concept, now, if we had other races to balance out the large amount of "furryish" races, then I probably wouldnt have a problem. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-31961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysfist101 Posted June 9, 2015 Author Posted June 9, 2015 While your point is noted, this is not the thread for that. Please look towards the "Vulpkanin Discussion" thread. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-31970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark lord derpy Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 Woops sorry. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-31972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 COPIED STRAIGHT FROM MY OWN POST ON THE SUGGESTIONS THREAD: BUFF: They have a sensitive sense of smell, and when they examine beakers/cups/bottles/etc., they can get italicized text underneath the description giving them a 'smell' description. They should not just tell them what it is, but can give them a rough idea. Example: The smell is terrible and stings your nostrils. could be sulphuric acid. DEBUFF: This sensitive smell can suck. You take in more of a gas as you breathe (which can be good in some cases, but terrible in others.) and rotting bodies make you vomit easier than most. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
improvedname Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Or how about BUFF:You run faster than any other species DEBUFF:It takes less disabler shots to take you down Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthdivine Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Or how about BUFF:You run faster than any other species DEBUFF:It takes less disabler shots to take you down Movement bonuses are always a bitch to balance, not to mention they originally were planned to have such a buff but it got shot down for bein too strong. Throwing mine in here. Buff: When examining a person, the Vulpakin gets a small blurb based on the current intent a person has on. I feel this falls perfectly in line with dogs, since MANY species have the capacity to tell the emotional state of a person, while also being unique enough to seperate them from Tarjan, while not powerful in the slightest to remove them from the Free race pool, not to mention it still is very useful from a gameplay standpoint. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fj45 Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 To clarify Earth a tiny bit... Speed changes (mostly buffs) affect nearly every single aspect of gameplay and balance. It would probably be shorter to name the things it DOESN'T affect. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysfist101 Posted June 10, 2015 Author Posted June 10, 2015 PRO: The ability to lick their wounds. Canine saliva acts as a natural disinfectant, so therefore, it might be possible to add a spell that lets a vulpkanin lick his/her wounds. All this would do is drop the current infection level over time. It would be weaker than actual medicine, but for small stuff, it could save a trip to the medbay. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Why is nobody doing hearing? Dogs are pretty legendary for their ears. Pros: You can hear whispers from 2-3x farther away. Cons: Flashbangs, explosions or other deafening noises (including Changeling shriek) affect you from 2-3x farther away and you're deaf just a long. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasparoVv Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 List's looking great so far. Davidchan's ideas are pretty wicked Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 To be honest, vulpkanin are so similar to Tajarans physiologically that the only reason I can think of for this getting committed is Fox McCloud wanting an actual bushy tail. I'm not saying that's necessarily bad thing, but I feel they should have the same upsides and downsides that Tajaran receive. This is probably upsetting for those who wanted ssome unique mechanics to play with. If they must be differentiated, then the ability to determine what a chemical is and what someone's carrying would be the only one I'd particularly agree with. Because let's be honest, the people who play vulpkanin are going to no matter it's mechanics. Edit: Also if Vulpkanin is a karma race (I didn't actually check) I will be quite upset. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
improvedname Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 So if we gonna base it off a dog we could have the following things -The faster running/ or just making walk run speed -what monkey mentioned -what earth mentioned -what Nts mentioned I really do like to have NTS and earth idea Or optional Pros - let them being able to jump on/in objects table disposal((just a faster table climbing) Cons -If anyone walks past you or push you away you fall on the ground EDIT: Pros:night vision Cons: gets eye damage by bright flashes((flashes flashbangs etc)) Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysfist101 Posted June 10, 2015 Author Posted June 10, 2015 Streaky, nobody is doubting that that's the sole reason that they were put in. The point of this thread is to give ideas to break them up from tajaran. EDIT: I'll update the list when I'm not on a smartphone. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Do they need to be differentiated though? Being a tajaran reskin isn't necessarily a bad thing, I feel. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysfist101 Posted June 10, 2015 Author Posted June 10, 2015 If they're nothing more than a reskin, they should be merged with tajaran to have tail variants. The reason that they shouldn't be the same is that dogs and cats are as different as night and day. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Well, I'd say that dogs and snakes are as different as night and day. I think that code-wise it's easier to have them as seperate species because of any languages/tails/hairdos/muzzle shape there needs to be. I have no really strong feelings on this subject but quite honestly, I feel that the abilities Tajarans have (claws, night vision, heats up quicker) also make a lot of sense for Vulpkanins, because implementing a canine's actual real life abilities in a way that is fair and balanced within gameplay is very difficult. I also feel that the appeal for vulpkanins wouldn't particularly be their mechanics anyway, I feel that the people who are drawn to Tajaran and Vulpkanin will play Tajaran and Vulpkanin just so they can be a cat/foxman. They aren't a karma race (i've checked) so I feel that just having them share the Tajaran's mechanics would be a simple and fair solution. That said, I'm not saying Vulpkanin having unique mechanics would be a BAD thing, but I don't think it's really an important thing since they were introduced to Paradise solely on the fluff/aesthetic reasons as opposed to their interesting gameplay implications. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
improvedname Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Rather have them different Like tajarans night vision etc And let the vulp see which intent you using simple as that idea was great and also the smell one and the hearing Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citinited Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Ideas for mechanics: Pros: Ability to smell stuff (no idea how this would work, maybe they can tell if someone's disguised as another person?) Food gives them double nutrition They can use *sit, *roll, and *bark for silly little shenanigans Cons: Partial blindness Collapse when in an oxygen-poor environment (we can bullshit this via lore) Unable to dual-wield stuff (due to having paws for hands) Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 Ideas for mechanics: Pros: Food gives them double nutrition Pleaaaase. I hate being like the other 90% of the station that starves mid round.... When I am a Vulpkanin of course. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Streaky Haddock Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 No it makes them COLOUR BLIND Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
johannhawk Posted June 10, 2015 Posted June 10, 2015 PRO: The ability to lick their wounds. Canine saliva acts as a natural disinfectant, so therefore, it might be possible to add a spell that lets a vulpkanin lick his/her wounds. All this would do is drop the current infection level over time. It would be weaker than actual medicine, but for small stuff, it could save a trip to the medbay. well, considering you can make spaceacillin for free if you have some time and a multitool, this isnt terribly OP in any way. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFinnT Posted June 12, 2015 Posted June 12, 2015 color blind. . . so the game is set to Black/white or how am i supposed to imagine it? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysfist101 Posted June 13, 2015 Author Posted June 13, 2015 Partially colorblind. Basically just a gray filter. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plotron Posted June 13, 2015 Posted June 13, 2015 The easy way would be to drop the saturation and/or contrast, but the fancier way would be to make the game look like this to simulate the real color blindness. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4556-vulpkanin-racial-changes-idea-thread/#findComment-32439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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