Spacemanspark Posted July 16, 2015 Posted July 16, 2015 This is bad. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeletedUser Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Everybody knows that the gravitational catapult is the best mech weapon. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted July 17, 2015 Author Posted July 17, 2015 Everybody knows that the gravitational catapult is the best mech weapon. Nah that one's cool, I'm more worried about the laser cannons and MG's you can attach to the damn things. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthdivine Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 That would help cull the Roboticists that think that making the Giant Death Robottm would mean it's theirs and theirs alone, and not have to listen to security about it. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Dobbins Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Nothing wrong with giant robots. Besides, what if traitors want to go around in a giant stompy death robot? Oh wait, emags. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 That would help cull the Roboticists that think that making the Giant Death Robottm would mean it's theirs and theirs alone, and not have to listen to security about it. It would also pretty much mean that roboticists would never build mechs, ever. No point in building a toy you can't really use--another negative side effect is that it would definitely increase the amount of meta when was built (and for sure if one had a weapon). "So and so is a traitor; he's building a mech that's not a RIPLY!" Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted July 17, 2015 Author Posted July 17, 2015 That would help cull the Roboticists that think that making the Giant Death Robottm would mean it's theirs and theirs alone, and not have to listen to security about it. It would also pretty much mean that roboticists would never build mechs, ever. No point in building a toy you can't really use--another negative side effect is that it would definitely increase the amount of meta when was built (and for sure if one had a weapon). "So and so is a traitor; he's building a mech that's not a RIPLY!" No, let them build the mech, just not the weapons. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthdivine Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 That would help cull the Roboticists that think that making the Giant Death Robottm would mean it's theirs and theirs alone, and not have to listen to security about it. It would also pretty much mean that roboticists would never build mechs, ever. No point in building a toy you can't really use--another negative side effect is that it would definitely increase the amount of meta when was built (and for sure if one had a weapon). "So and so is a traitor; he's building a mech that's not a RIPLY!" The Lockbox's don't keep Scientists from making new weapons, HUDs and other gizmo's for the crew, why would it keep Roboticists from making robots. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinfoiltophat Posted July 17, 2015 Posted July 17, 2015 Regular weapon lockboxes are stupid in the first place. Please don't add to the stupidity. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 That would help cull the Roboticists that think that making the Giant Death Robottm would mean it's theirs and theirs alone, and not have to listen to security about it. It would also pretty much mean that roboticists would never build mechs, ever. No point in building a toy you can't really use--another negative side effect is that it would definitely increase the amount of meta when was built (and for sure if one had a weapon). "So and so is a traitor; he's building a mech that's not a RIPLY!" The Lockbox's don't keep Scientists from making new weapons, HUDs and other gizmo's for the crew, why would it keep Roboticists from making robots. Because there's largely no point to combat mechs that lack weapons to begin with. Now roboticists get to spend the entire round waiting to get materials to ....do what? Intrinsic rewards for doing your jobs are nearly always superior to extrinsic ones--just the way people are. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereticChurch Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 I find it a bit odd that scientists can't print off a stun revolver and use it themselves, but a roboticist can make a phazon with an LMG and laser cannon and ride around firing them with no restrictions. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
improvedname Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Or just add the weapon pin system Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted July 18, 2015 Author Posted July 18, 2015 Or just add the weapon pin system For robotics only? Sure. But not for RnD. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbdumn5 Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 I find it a bit odd that scientists can't print off a stun revolver and use it themselves, but a roboticist can make a phazon with an LMG and laser cannon and ride around firing them with no restrictions. Same thing here. A ton of potentially useful materials are stuck in lock boxes that rarely ever get printed or opened. Besides, if it's supposedly "new" technology that you're "researching" why the hell would NT have a pre-made boxing system on a machine that prints and assembles machinery that is new to most standards of the station. You could argue that "If it's in the combat category they automatically scale and create lock boxes", but that's just a little bit odd all the same because the roboticist next door doesn't have his giant mini-gun, laser rifle, grenade launcher, and any number of the other exosuit modules you can print off without running up to a Head of Staff or sec officer saying "Can you give me a death laser that obliterates matter for my mech that phases through material by disassembling and reassembling/ storing them in a pocket dimension and teleporting as it separates its particles through your armory wall? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
improvedname Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Or just add the weapon pin system For robotics only? Sure. But not for RnD. I dont see why not if we had the pin ststem RnD could freely deconstruct guns without troubling somoene goes murderboner with it and if you want to activate a gun you gotta get pins from the armoury En yeah pins for robotics is fine just give them 1 box of them and the rest must be ordered/or if rnd has very high engineering/mat they should ble able to made at rnd but a high cost Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Because there's largely no point to combat mechs that lack weapons to begin with. Now roboticists get to spend the entire round waiting to get materials to ....do what? Intrinsic rewards for doing your jobs are nearly always superior to extrinsic ones--just the way people are. You focus a LOT more on the "MUH BALANCE" than the actual RP of the game. I am all for this change, because the combat mechs are meant for security not robotics personal "you can't touch me tool" If they want their own mech, it is pretty fucking simple. Strike a deal with HoP, get him to open the lockboxes, or give you access to do it. Are you a traitor? Congratufuckinglations use those OP as fuck emags to open the lockboxes, and you can now frame the warden / HoS / HoP / Captain saying they gave you access That would help cull the Roboticists that think that making the Giant Death Robottm would mean it's theirs and theirs alone, and not have to listen to security about it. It would also pretty much mean that roboticists would never build mechs, ever. No point in building a toy you can't really use--another negative side effect is that it would definitely increase the amount of meta when was built (and for sure if one had a weapon). "So and so is a traitor; he's building a mech that's not a RIPLY!" It is not always that the robotics even get to build the combat mechs, they will still build ripleys, firefighters and Odysseus. If they play robotics JUST to get "muh combat mechs" then bad fucking luck, using them would be grief anyways. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 I don't like the lockboxes at all but if the RnD ones are here to stay, the robotics ones should be too. To include the mech taser, if the stun revolver is in a lockbox, the mech version should be too. As for this constant firing pins idea people keep coming up with... I'm sorry but it's just the dumbest, and probably laziest way, I imagine to try and curb rambo science. RP/In character wise, why the hell does a laser weapon have a firing pin, OOC/Mechanics wise, it'd make more sense to require an ID swipe from an armory access ID card or emag to overload the safety lock, there is no reason the pins couldn't be printed from a hacked lathe save for 'MUH BALANCE' cries. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted July 18, 2015 Author Posted July 18, 2015 Firing pins are ridiculous. Great, that Egun you just disarmed from that security officer? Well hey fuck you you can't use it because it's pinned to loyalty implants only. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 Firing pins are ridiculous.Great, that Egun you just disarmed from that security officer? Well hey fuck you you can't use it because it's pinned to loyalty implants only. That would be the dumbest thing ever. Once a weapon has been armed/activated, it should work for everyone unless it's been manually deactivated/magazine is emptied. My biggest problem with lockboxes it they make it hard for legit antags to get a hold of weapons WITHOUT targeting the Captain/HoP/HoS/Warden. Revolutions, Changelings, Vampires, Cults. All of them have legit reasons to want a gun to kill a person, especially if they are going loud/nonstealth. Rev miner that spent 30 minutes getting uranium, gold, silver and diamonds? HA HA, can't make that advanced energy gun, have fun with this worthless shield and syringe gun. Rev's are allowed to kill anyone who is loyalty implanted, and have to kill the command staff. Cults similarly have the option to kill security officers and other loyalty implanted crew if they interfere with their work, changelings seem to do what ever they want, and vampires certainly could benefit from having a stun revolver in their posession. But the only people who don't have Securities permission to get into weapon boxes are the one people who shouldn't need them. Traitors. Unless you have a hijack objective, it's counter intuitive to get these weapons, and risk exposing your traitor status if you leave a lock box somewhere or caught with an RnD weapon in your possession, so why the hell are they the only antags that get this privilege? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citinited Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 It would also pretty much mean that roboticists would never build mechs, ever. No point in building a toy you can't really use--another negative side effect is that it would definitely increase the amount of meta when was built (and for sure if one had a weapon). Why is not being able to use the things you built a problem? Many departments have to do jobs which are thankless or otherwise have no effect on your round - engineers patching up hullbreaches in chapel, cargo techs ordering whatever for other crew, virology, brig physician, etc. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
necaladun Posted July 18, 2015 Posted July 18, 2015 I've seen Odysseus mechs brought to med plenty of times for just a thank you. Ipc chefs make food. Medbay does surgeries for people. Just because someone doesn't benefit directly from it themselves doesn't mean they won't do it. There are people who won't do anything unless they benefit from it themselves for sure. The term is "selfish asshole" I believe. It makes a lot of sense to lock up machine guns and laser cannons for mechs the same way machine guns and laser cannons are locked up for the rest of r'n'd. If they really wanna pilot a fully armed mech around they should be getting clearance from security anyway. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickcrazy Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 I absolutely support this! But does that mean we would have to lockbox the airhorn? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted July 20, 2015 Author Posted July 20, 2015 I absolutely support this! But does that mean we would have to lockbox the airhorn? Yes. Fuuuuuuuuuck that shit. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted July 20, 2015 Posted July 20, 2015 If by lockbox you mean move to the admin-only verb tab. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-35672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted September 5, 2015 Author Posted September 5, 2015 I'll go ahead and bump this. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/4957-put-mechweapons-in-lockboxes/#findComment-38695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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