Holyass Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Yes,if we can make them Constructionable and deconstructionable, then we can repair damage ones or remove to place a new one down, and to make this one event more easy and do o able. (so far no matter what we did it still makes all the other Vending Machines attack us.) Like take the coding from Computers' Construction and Deconstruction and just change the board type for each type of Vending Machines like this Use the metal to open the construction panel Choose Vending Machines frame Wrench it inplace Insert Circuitboard of the type of Vending Machine you want Screwdriver Wires glass Screwdriver to finish that to build it and Screwdriver to detach the screen. Crowbar to pry off the screen. Wirecutters to cut the cables. Screwdriver to detach the circuit lid. Crowbar to pry out the circuit. Wrench to detach the frame. Welder to disassemble the frame. to tear it down. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) ...Whaa? I've seen vending machines broken and built... I'm pretty sure you can do this already, anywho. Also, screwdriver + crowbar begins disassembling them already, and you can disassemble them like any other machine. EDIT: Double checked, there are indeed vending machine boards and construction steps in the code. DOUBLE EDIT: I think I see where you might've thought they were unbuildable; You probably made a computer frame, whileas vending machines use the... er... machine frame. Edited October 14, 2015 by Guest Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyass Posted October 14, 2015 Author Posted October 14, 2015 Well so far each time i try It did nothing but make the char attacks it. P.S. I do mean all type Vending Machines even the ones in Medbay. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 As I've said, you probably made a computer frame. That or you didn't fully prepare the machine frame. (Note: You have to wire the machine frame, add the board, then add some restock units. Then screwdriver.) Oh. Wait. Can all vending machines be built? I know you can build coffee, clothesvendors, soda, and snack/booze-o-mats machines, but I'm unsure what else. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyass Posted October 14, 2015 Author Posted October 14, 2015 Well i know for a fact that the Vending Machines in Medbay like the autodoc one you can only hack it and thats about it. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Couldn't find restocks for any medical vendors, nor can I find their construction steps. It'd be nice to be able to build these, yes. It sucks when lolrampancy outta nowhere destroys the spesshul vendir masheens that you can't get back without adminbuse or selling your soul. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Individual vending machines have no boards printable for them whatsoever for reasons unknown. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plotron Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Not only it seems impossible to construct certain vendors from scratch, it's also impossible to replenish the most useful vendor types (Secvendor, medvendor, etc.) We need this feature! Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Yeah, after spamming kitty ears I tried to spam diethyl and ammonia from the botanics vendor and it didn't work. You can only rebuild a few machines. Arguably, it'd make more sense to make all impossible to deconstruct without destroying the restock units, i.e. requiring new ones to rebuild. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauka Usanake Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Yeah, after spamming kitty ears I tried to spam diethyl and ammonia from the botanics vendor and it didn't work. You can only rebuild a few machines. Arguably, it'd make more sense to make all impossible to deconstruct without destroying the restock units, i.e. requiring new ones to rebuild. If that's the case then you should require the restock units as part of the construction and make it the only item that is not returned with deconstruction. This shouldn't be a hard edit to make Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Yeah, after spamming kitty ears I tried to spam diethyl and ammonia from the botanics vendor and it didn't work. You can only rebuild a few machines. Arguably, it'd make more sense to make all impossible to deconstruct without destroying the restock units, i.e. requiring new ones to rebuild. If that's the case then you should require the restock units as part of the construction and make it the only item that is not returned with deconstruction. This shouldn't be a hard edit to make Thoroughly against this idea. You shouldn't lose the restock units upon deconstruction. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauka Usanake Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Yeah, after spamming kitty ears I tried to spam diethyl and ammonia from the botanics vendor and it didn't work. You can only rebuild a few machines. Arguably, it'd make more sense to make all impossible to deconstruct without destroying the restock units, i.e. requiring new ones to rebuild. If that's the case then you should require the restock units as part of the construction and make it the only item that is not returned with deconstruction. This shouldn't be a hard edit to make Thoroughly against this idea. You shouldn't lose the restock units upon deconstruction. Do you think it's possible for the restock units to contain a list of every item it had in store? Either use it as the "container" for everything the vendor has or make it a list that just copies the data Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyass Posted October 15, 2015 Author Posted October 15, 2015 Well we can just add in one more step to remove the Stock unit that hold all the items. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tauka Usanake Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Well we can just add in one more step to remove the Stock unit that hold all the items. But will it have all the items, refill itself, or become empty? That's the issue here, having the machine keep its same inventory if it gets broken Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazylemon Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Well, the more common vending machines have specific restocking modules which can be ordered from cargo, that with 3 can make a new vending machine. I'm thinking, however, that perhaps the restocking modules should become generic, and both the modules lying around in maintenance and those from cargo would be used to construct/restock machines in place. Wouldn't play nice with recovering partially-deconstructed vendors, but otherwise would make them easier to (re)build or restock. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Thoroughly against this idea. You shouldn't lose the restock units upon deconstruction. As of now a screwdriver and a crowbar are all it's needed to get a full (duplicated BTW) restock. Screwdriver, crowbar and multitool = infinite syndicakes. Current machines can't spam anything that is much of an issue I think, but if all vendor machines became able to be infinitely restocked that way it'd throw off the balance I guess -- maybe not since it's still boring to do unless it's for giggles or to get a restock in a pinch, but still... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbdumn5 Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Why has nobody ever thought of just having a larger stock of cosmetics in the clothing vendors... Then people wouldn't need to keep magically restocking them! Or if cargo actually accepted requests for restocking machines. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyass Posted October 15, 2015 Author Posted October 15, 2015 Well we can just add in one more step to remove the Stock unit that hold all the items. But will it have all the items, refill itself, or become empty? That's the issue here, having the machine keep its same inventory if it gets broken It will hold the item that are left from the last time it was used and maybe have a small % of losing some item ( round 1 to 4 items) if the vending machine was badly damaged. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Thoroughly against this idea. You shouldn't lose the restock units upon deconstruction. As of now a screwdriver and a crowbar are all it's needed to get a full (duplicated BTW) restock. Screwdriver, crowbar and multitool = infinite syndicakes. Current machines can't spam anything that is much of an issue I think, but if all vendor machines became able to be infinitely restocked that way it'd throw off the balance I guess -- maybe not since it's still boring to do unless it's for giggles or to get a restock in a pinch, but still... I am aware. Thoroughly against the idea of losing restock units, or having them have "counted inventory" for the exact reason I am against the Autodrobe having a finite amount of certain items. The only way I might potentially agree with this is if you made restocking machines also part of the janitor's job, or have a flunky engineer-type role known as a "Maintenance Technician" who's job is to fix small things like this and restock vendors. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyass Posted October 15, 2015 Author Posted October 15, 2015 Uh Easy fix to the infinite restock, make it only spawn a Used restock unit that had what item were left in the Vending Machine, So that way you can put in the old one or a new one. basicly the old one will act like a restock unit but it will have item missing from it so it's not a full restock and it cant be use over and over. Old unit taken out, it have 9 out of 10 item b left, it put back in still show that item b have 9 units left, even put into a another Vending Machine it will still show 9 out 10 item b Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Basic programming logic would figure that the restock units don't actually exist until the machine is deconned, at which point it's inventory no longer exists either. Without some major changes to the way things are constructed (Since all things in essence do exactly this), it's not possible to have it "track inventory". There's also no real point. This went from "Make vendors deconstructable and more boards craftable" to "how can we nerf the shit out of the autodrobe for no good reason?" I have no idea why you would want this, honestly. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthdivine Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 to make this one event more easy and do o able. (so far no matter what we did it still makes all the other Vending Machines attack us.) . Dunno if it was the same round i'm thinking of, but if it was the hunt for the Nanomed, you guys got the wrong one. It was a Wall Mounted on near the sleepers, it had a bunch of Gauze rolls infront of it. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalseIncarnate Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 On the topic of not all vendors being (de)constructable, this is something that could be implemented, though in the average round you won't see many machines run out of even half their total stock (unless of course they are hacked/intelligent and spit it all out). In the case of repairing bombed out areas though, sometimes the vendors are the only thing missing from being able to fully restore a job area. Making these constructable would be fairly easy as we just need to define the board and restock units and tweak existing code to acknowledge the process. On the topic of infinitely restocking machines through reconstruction, this is somewhat of an oversight and somewhat of an exploit. It was intended (based on code and comments) that the restock units were supposed to be less than full. However, when deconstructed, the machine returns full restock units, not partially used ones. Further, it would require some additional tweaking to make the restock unit track which items it contained, since it currently just tracks a number of items which it restocks the machine's first entry first, then continues down until it is empty. I'd like to work on the vendors and their restock units a bit more when I get the chance in order to cut down on this exploit and to make more of the machines constructable so that you can build a new station on the construction site with job-relevant machines, or rebuild a bombed out medbay and replace the lost nanomeds. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5666-vending-machines-constructionable-and-deconstructionable/#findComment-42280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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