Edd Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 Here is what I mean. Sturdy Top Hat just /cries/ to be made a semi-lethal throwing weapon, to be turned in to an Oddjob reference! Hand out your opinions. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plotron Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 Stop the bartender's power creep. He's got armor, a shotgun that can be turned lethal, a RR, and now you want to give him a legit weapon that is semi-concealed and non-intrusive, as if he was some kind of an antag. That video is ridiculous, by the way, totally breaking any kind of immersion. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 Why not make it a traitor item? Like, 5 tc or something. And before you say "MAI IMMURSHUNS" keep in mind we have stuff that's about 20x sillier. EDIT: And the Russian Revolver can't be used as a weapon against anyone but yourself. That's just... insane to call that a buff. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plotron Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 And before you say "MAI IMMURSHUNS" keep in mind we have stuff that's about 20x sillier. I was talking about the video (and movie immersions), not about the top-hat IG. I have nothing against having the top-hat as a traitor item. In fact, I think it'd be interesting. EDIT: And the Russian Revolver can't be used as a weapon against anyone but yourself. That's just... insane to call that a buff. It's enough that you can get people to play RR, and if someone loses (you don't even have to play it yourself), you can loot the body. Bartender has received lots of love. Lethal love. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyass Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 don't forget the saw off shotgun, that will make it fit on your belt and make it hidden. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 You aren't -forced- to play RR, keep in mind. anywayyyyyy. Also, the Sawn Off Shotgun is a MODIFICATION. You can't get it at round start, same way Civvies can't get a toolbelt full of hacking gear, yellow gloves, or stunprods at roundstart. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plotron Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 Also, the Sawn Off Shotgun is a MODIFICATION. You can't get it at round start, same way Civvies can't get a toolbelt full of hacking gear, yellow gloves, or stunprods at roundstart. Special privilege. RANGED. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 You do know civvies can make their own shotgun, cannon, and crossbow, yes? And that glass shards are a nice ranged weapon as well? [spoiler2]and if we're talking about two different things entirely oh god don't kill me ;n;[/spoiler2] Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plotron Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 You do know civvies can make their own shotgun, cannon, and crossbow, yes?And that glass shards are a nice ranged weapon as well? I'm against giving SPECIAL weapons to people who already have SPECIAL weapons. Like seriously, can't you see that's powercreep? In this case, adjusting to your argument, it doesn't matter if it's ranged or not, as you have proven it is irrelevant if we're giving someone more melee weapons or ranged weapons. It's bad either way. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 I quit. I literally fucking quit. This thread has been fucking derailed way too much. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plotron Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 This thread has been fucking derailed way too much. How has it been derailed? We're talking about the bartender's special items. He has enough of them, in my opinion, and he doesn't need actual weapons, especially not concealable ones. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 We were talking about a suggestion for a hat usable as a stun weapon. Then we started talking about the other weaponry. Whatever. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyass Posted November 6, 2015 Posted November 6, 2015 lets add in a reloader for him so he can reload his beanbag shots! Damn I derail it soo hard that it's a new thread in here! Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 The only thing I'd remotely consider doing for the bartender's top-hat is armoring it--he doesn't need another ranged weapon, when he's one of only two people on station, outside of security, that has access to a fully fledged weapons permit AND a ranged weapon at round-start. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldflame Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Speaking of the bartender, are two beanbags even enough to down somebody? In my experience the shotgun's only useful as a deterrent to keep the bar calm. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plotron Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Speaking of the bartender, are two beanbags even enough to down somebody? You only need a hacked autolathe to produce lethal rounds. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Speaking of the bartender, are two beanbags even enough to down somebody? In my experience the shotgun's only useful as a deterrent to keep the bar calm. Ya, two beanbags will knock someone on their ass. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted November 7, 2015 Posted November 7, 2015 Speaking of the bartender, are two beanbags even enough to down somebody? In my experience the shotgun's only useful as a deterrent to keep the bar calm. Unless they're wearing Captain's Armor or a bulleproof vest/helmet, they're going to go down in two shots. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edd Posted November 10, 2015 Author Posted November 10, 2015 Making it viable in combat being out of the question, we could simply give it a clever description. "This is a sturdy top-hat - it is a small item. It could probably knock a marble statue's head clean off. Probably." Edit: Speakimg of statues, here's an idea pulled out of "the hat" (It's terrible, I know). Give it the ability to damage statues. They can already be destroyed with many other items, and throwing a hat aroumd can prove pretty impractical. I'm just all in for a reference. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/5854-bartenders-sturdy-top-hat-opportunity-for-a-reference/#findComment-44887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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