GunDOS Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) Ok... here we go this is my suggested karma race. Most of the things explaning it is in the Google doc below please comment on anything you wish and feel free to call me an idiot on the many mistakes i have almost certanly made... Please note I have edited the next part... Outline of gameplay mechanics: •Inate ability to speak and understand all languages ( universal translator built in ) •If Emp’d they take major brain damage. •When Ingesting Alcohol they do not get drunk. •when punching somebody they do reduced damage. Looks: * covered in glowing circuitry-Esk tattoos. * have glowing eyes the same colour as the tattoos. Link to google doc... https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Yxh ... sp=sharing Edited February 24, 2016 by Guest Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunDOS Posted February 18, 2016 Author Posted February 18, 2016 Bender no, this is a first draft change it if ya like. if you read the first paragraph its they are basically humans with a few cybbernetic/ genetic enhancements Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProperPants Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 I deleted my initial reply because I saw you unlocked the doc I love the idea of this race, but weighing the apparent pros and cons... Pros Can speak in :b Cons Invades the AI's private channel Can't get hammered Weak at dealing damage Weak to EMP and has to be healed normally (at least IPCs are super easy to repair. Innovators, if they keep organic healing, would be getting the worst of both worlds) Again, I do like the concept, but it needs more apparent benefits and more balance. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunDOS Posted February 18, 2016 Author Posted February 18, 2016 the reason i gave them so many downsides is the fact that they can "invade the ai's private channel" as you say this in my opinion anyway is a kinda op ability... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunDOS Posted February 18, 2016 Author Posted February 18, 2016 Please read again i added something Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinatacolada Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 giving a race binary chat means ruined malfs Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunDOS Posted February 18, 2016 Author Posted February 18, 2016 I was waiting for this and honestly malf rounds need a rethink anyway personally I have never seen the ai win in a malf round... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keroman Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 The AI technically won one last night but a bug prevented him from blowing up the station. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunDOS Posted February 18, 2016 Author Posted February 18, 2016 *Grumble* ehhh... Ok then but I don't back down from thinking it needs a rethink Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Malf is just one of those gamemodes so few people like. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinmold Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 If something like this were to happen, it still shouldn't have the .b channel. That's just, in my opinion, way too overpowered and would be abused to all hell to either annoy the AI or request things from the AI directly on any given round, or blow the cover of a malfunctioning AI because it couldn't tell if it had to use another communication medium because it can't tell if you are human or not. Also, anyone who sets their eye color to any neon color would effectively look the same, and could lead both to the AI specifically targeting them or tricking the AI into thinking they are an innovator. Looking at the pros vs cons... Pros Capable of understanding and speaking all languages. Cons Takes major brain damage if EMP'd. Do reduced punching damage. Mute Points Can't get drunk. Reasonable lore already in place. Effectively, they'd be exactly what a karma-locked species should be: Role-play based. Effectively, they'd make great lawyers, journalists, librarians, chefs, bartenders, and even potentially the Head of Personnel and Captain positions, due to being diplomatic and being able to understand and speak all languages. To me, the unable to get drunk point has both advantages and disadvantages. It would make somewhat sense, lore-wise, but many people like to be able to get shit-faced as any species, even the ones that shouldn't. Lore being in place also helps, and you did add a relatively reasonable lore backing their creation and why they haven't shown up yet, tying in lore of another star system. Since they are not supposed to be physical, and instead rely on words, they would be less likely to theoretically throw a punch, anyway, so it only makes sense. It's a con only in that it effectively means they are not as robust as other species, but let us face it: Not everyone should be equally robust because you want to be able to always fight back. If you don't like it, you yourself would never have to play this species. The implants and chips that allow it to effective understand all languages and speak them would of course mean heavy cerebral modification, and thus an EMP damaging these components, and/or damaging the brain itself, makes sense. It may be a con, but it's a relative understandable con. To further balance this out, what could happen is that the brain effectively has to be repaired with both, as of current, the Advanced Trauma Kit and, for the components themselves, Nanopaste. This is merely a suggestion on that matter, and if that damage is not fixed, effectively they just cannot understand any language other than default Galactic Common and the secondary they select. Having the components not fixed will not affect the overall brain damage count, so they can be without brain damage through fixing the damage without being able to understand other languages. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunDOS Posted February 18, 2016 Author Posted February 18, 2016 Thank you very much I very much appreciate this comment I'll make the necessary changes. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Meh it's ok. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunDOS Posted February 19, 2016 Author Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Well at least he told me what I should change unlike dragging me through the mud NTSAM but alas the mud was soft and mud-like much like a slimes exterior skin ( yes I realise it's a poor simile) Edited February 19, 2016 by Guest Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunDOS Posted February 19, 2016 Author Posted February 19, 2016 Well I'm gonna turn in for tonight I appreciate anybody leaving suggestions on to what I should change feel free to edit the lore with anything creative you come up with... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbdumn5 Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Twin basically said everything I would, but in better words. Looks interesting, and to be honest, I really like it, but of course, how will they look? Even without that, I like this. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 As long as it's not another god damned furry Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbdumn5 Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 As long as it's not another god damned furry Read over the lore, states that they're modified humans. Also, even if it was, who the hell cares? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereticChurch Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 I approve. I think it'd be neat to give them more techy organs, like augmented hearts, lungs, etc. but that's just my opinion. To make them at least a bit more unique compared to humans, looks wise, you could give them cybernetic-looking line... things, on some spots on their body, to represent their augmentations, but to make them distinct enough from robotic limbs so they're not super-vulnerable to EMPing. The glowing eyes might not be quite enough to tell them apart quickly. And make them bleed white. Because reasons~ Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zairral Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 I approve. I think it'd be neat to give them more techy organs, like augmented hearts, lungs, etc. but that's just my opinion. To make them at least a bit more unique compared to humans, looks wise, you could give them cybernetic-looking line... things, on some spots on their body, to represent their augmentations, but to make them distinct enough from robotic limbs so they're not super-vulnerable to EMPing. The glowing eyes might not be quite enough to tell them apart quickly.And make them bleed white. Because reasons~ Do you mean something along the lines of this? (Not to this extent of course, but similar.) Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereticChurch Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Do you mean something along the lines of this? (Not to this extent of course, but similar.) Pretty much. Something less noticable, or perhaps only viewable on their torso, below their clothes, and maybe around their eyes/head, under the hair. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunDOS Posted February 19, 2016 Author Posted February 19, 2016 Personally I like that idea, it's very interesting I'll write it into the lore... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunDOS Posted February 19, 2016 Author Posted February 19, 2016 Alright, what I have changed is this, Looks: * covered in glowing circuitry-Esk tattoos. * have glowing eyes the same colour as the tattoos. Also I thought that the glowing eyes/tattoos might pulsate like maybe dark to bright... And also the animation could be stopped and started like how a vox starts and stops wagging its tale... Actually the reason I had the glowing eyes in the first place so I could only difrenciate slightly between the human and innovator, considering the innovator in its lore are mediators built to improve relations between biological species and ai's. The innovator in my mind is a middle ground between the two... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zairral Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Well, it certainly looks interesting. What would your suggested Karma price be, though? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunDOS Posted February 19, 2016 Author Posted February 19, 2016 Hmm.. I'm not really sure.. When I started writing this I kinda thought that piece of information would be up to the admins.. But considering how powerful the ability to speak in all languages is I would say maybe... 30-40 karma Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6750-karma-race-innovator/#findComment-56612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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