Shadeykins Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 The Chaplain is already immune to cult runes whilst wielding the null rod. However, the crusader armour (which is always actively worn now, more or less) provides immunity as well... Meaning the Chaplain is more or less incapable of being countered by the cult. As it already provides a considerable melee defense buff (the cult's main weapon of choice), the inclusion of cult-immunity on top of this is a bit too much in terms of balance. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keroman Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 I mean, cultists are just as capable as making stunprods as any other antag... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldflame Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 I'd argue the chaplain should be a major threat to the cult, and with the inclusion of armor the chaplain becomes exactly that. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasparoVv Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Haven't seen this become a problem, I'm pretty sure it's just working as intended Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Just get a bunch of nerds and take him on in a giant group. No need to remove this. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Crusader armor doesn't even grant cult immunity. lol. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthdivine Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Looking at it, I see nothing that says that the armor gives you cult immunity powers. The sword he has is just the Null Rod with a sprite change. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted February 20, 2016 Author Posted February 20, 2016 Crusader armor doesn't even grant cult immunity. lol. Then you've got a bug report to deal with, as noted in the other thread. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TullyBBurnalot Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 Literally just finished testing this in the Admin Test Area. Neither the Stun Talisman or Stun Rune are nullified by anyone wearing the Crusader Armor. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted February 20, 2016 Author Posted February 20, 2016 Literally just finished testing this in the Admin Test Area. Neither the Stun Talisman or Stun Rune are nullified by anyone wearing the Crusader Armor. Huh. My other theory is that they may have had the null rod equipped in the exosuit slot (The holy sword fits on the exosuit slot for the crusader armour). Could you try testing that? This isn't an "active wield" so AFAIK (or at least as far as I've been informed) the null rod shouldn't have an effect, but it might. If that doesn't work, try stunning with the nullrod active, disarming it, and trying again. That's what I did in this instance, and neither paper (the paper prior to the stunrod being disarmed and the paper after it had been removed) worked. Thanks Tully. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 Crusader armor doesn't even grant cult immunity. lol. Then you've got a bug report to deal with, as noted in the other thread. Or maybe you're just mistaken. The null rod grants full immunity to a number of cult effects by merely having it on your person (backpack/pocket/suit/implanted/hands/etc. It doesn't matter); the way the code is written, there's very little ways this could break; if it's not of them, then the proc goes through with what it's supposed to do--it's a very simple pass/fail check. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted February 20, 2016 Author Posted February 20, 2016 Yeah, I think I figured it out. The Null Rod was probably in the exosuit slot on the armour, which is possible with the crusader set - which may or may not be an unintended balance change since the null rod was never able to be 'wielded' passively before the crusader armour update. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 Yeah, I think I figured it out. The Null Rod was probably in the exosuit slot on the armour, which is possible with the crusader set - which may or may not be an unintended balance change since the null rod was never able to be 'wielded' passively before the crusader armour update. The null rod has never needed to be "wielded" to protect the person who has it---just having it anywhere on their person (including having it implanted into them) is going to grant them immunity to cult-related things--it's always been this way. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasparoVv Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 Disguised nerf thread? Nullrod OP? I think it's juuuust fine. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted February 20, 2016 Author Posted February 20, 2016 I assume that it just checks the character themself and doesn't include the bag then, which means that the crusader armour also provides the benefit of an exosuit slot allowing you to have the nullrod effect active at all times without foregoing a belt slot. Correct? If so, I imagine this is just an unintended balance change - albeit not a huge one. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 It's hardly a balance change when having the null rod at any position on your person, up to and including surgically implanted will grant you immunity to most cult things Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Cupcake Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 I agree that the chaplain should be a major threat to cultists. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted February 20, 2016 Author Posted February 20, 2016 It's hardly a balance change when having the null rod at any position on your person, up to and including surgically implanted will grant you immunity to most cult things Does this include bags, though? I've stunpapered plenty of chaplains, and I am going to be very disappoint if all they have to do to counter that the entire time was have the nullrod in their bag. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted February 20, 2016 Posted February 20, 2016 It's hardly a balance change when having the null rod at any position on your person, up to and including surgically implanted will grant you immunity to most cult things Does this include bags, though? I've stunpapered plenty of chaplains, and I am going to be very disappoint if all they have to do to counter that the entire time was have the nullrod in their bag. It does indeed include bags. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted February 20, 2016 Author Posted February 20, 2016 WELP. You can pretty much ignore this whole deal, I believed it required an active wield/be physically on your person. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6758-remove-crusader-armour-cult-immunity/#findComment-56793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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