unmovedmover Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 (edited) Could we modify the drunkenness thresholds to more realistic levels? It's ridiculous to be puking and even pass out after a single drink. Socializing over drinks is made nigh on impossible with the current thresholds. Not to mention the bar and surrounding areas often become covered in vomit. Edited March 20, 2016 by Guest Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
necaladun Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 +1 I've made it headcanon that NT are using methanol and other cheap crap, but it's stupid that I can barely talk because I drunk 1 beer. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saywat_the_15th Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 +1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDemonic Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 Oh so that's why I collapsed and started vomiting everywhere, here I was thinking the barkeep poisoned me, yeah this should get changed. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
johannhawk Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 i just wanted to point out the ingame evidence of how much a "unit" of something is. based on the ramen cup instructions, 1u = 1ml based on doing math from blood scans of people its 1u = 1.5ml 50u X 1.5ml = 75ml 75ml = 0.075 liters and for americans that dont use this metric system, just google it and google will give you a calculator. there has to be something SERIOUSLY wrong with you to pass out from 0.075 liters of beer Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
saywat_the_15th Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 inb4 someone comes and says "then you just have to limit your drinking mheeeeeh" No, of course you shouldn't be able to drink a bottle of whisky and be all alright, but the current threshold is ridiculous. there has to be something SERIOUSLY wrong with you to pass out from 0.075 liters of beer Exactly. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 then you just have to limit your drinking mheeeeeh Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 i just wanted to point out the ingame evidence of how much a "unit" of something is. based on the ramen cup instructions, 1u = 1ml based on doing math from blood scans of people its 1u = 1.5ml 50u X 1.5ml = 75ml 75ml = 0.075 liters and for americans that dont use this metric system, just google it and google will give you a calculator. there has to be something SERIOUSLY wrong with you to pass out from 0.075 liters of beer it's pointless to do this---trying to equate units to any real world measurement is...well, again, pointless, because there's no consistency--especially when you start factoring in syringes blood amount on a person, etc. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
johannhawk Posted March 20, 2016 Posted March 20, 2016 i just wanted to point out the ingame evidence of how much a "unit" of something is. based on the ramen cup instructions, 1u = 1ml based on doing math from blood scans of people its 1u = 1.5ml 50u X 1.5ml = 75ml 75ml = 0.075 liters and for americans that dont use this metric system, just google it and google will give you a calculator. there has to be something SERIOUSLY wrong with you to pass out from 0.075 liters of beer it's pointless to do this---trying to equate units to any real world measurement is...well, again, pointless, because there's no consistency--especially when you start factoring in syringes blood amount on a person, etc. I know its pointless, but what else do you do when you are bored and want to contribute to something? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 I know its pointless, but what else do you do when you are bored and want to contribute to something? =p Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobradude Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 Yes. I look like a twat when I ask the bartender for lemonade etc. and worse when I'm dragged to med, throwing up over a single glass. But now the issue of what the new threshold would be, 3-4 drinks maybe? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
unmovedmover Posted March 21, 2016 Author Posted March 21, 2016 But now the issue of what the new threshold would be, 3-4 drinks maybe? Here is what seems reasonable to me: 0-2 drinks - No effects 3-4 drinks - Slurred Speech 5-6 drinks - Vomit 7+ drinks - Blackout These thresholds assume all of the drinks are consumed at the same time, of course. By "drink," I mean the alcoholic equivalent of one glass (50 units) of Space Beer. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobradude Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 Another thing to consider, if I drink 2 glasses of beer at the start of the shift, how long would we say it would take for the alcohol build up to ware off? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
necaladun Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 [quote="Cobradude"Here is what seems reasonable to me: 0-2 drinks - No effects 3-4 drinks - Slurred Speech 5-6 drinks - Vomit 7+ drinks - Blackout Looks good. Here in aus a 'standard drink' is a 0.75ml of pure ethanol, so a 30ml shot of whiskey. Those numbers there look like a good threshhold for people to be able to choose their drunkness, and not throw up from a single beer. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lolzyking Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 humans can only contain 300 units aka 6 drinks at any time though. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProperPants Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 humans can only contain 300 units aka 6 drinks at any time though. 5-6 drinks - Vomit Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTSAM Posted March 21, 2016 Posted March 21, 2016 7+ drinks - Blackout Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
unmovedmover Posted March 21, 2016 Author Posted March 21, 2016 humans can only contain 300 units aka 6 drinks at any time though. Bear in mind that there are other drinks in the game which have a higher alcohol content per unit volume, e.g. vodka. So, while it might not be possible to reach the highest threshold with Space Beer, it would be possible with other drinks. Also, the rate at which blood alcohol concentration depletes relative to the rate that liquid stored in the body depletes is worth considering. If BAC depletes at a slower rate than liquid stored (I'm speculating here), it would be possible to reach the highest threshold, even with Space Beer. It would simply require more beers drunk over a longer period of time. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-59705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
unmovedmover Posted March 30, 2016 Author Posted March 30, 2016 Bump. What are the chances of this suggestion being added? If the response to this thread is any indication, I think most players would appreciate this tweak. Also, I can't imagine it would require much work to implement. Then again, I'm not a coder. I should also mention that I'm not particularly attached to the numbers I mentioned earlier. I.e. 0-2 drinks - No effects 3-4 drinks - Slurred Speech 5-6 drinks - Vomit 7+ drinks - Blackout They were my first pass at more reasonable thresholds. Someone with a deeper understanding of the systems involved should make the final decision. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-60419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
necaladun Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 There's a pull request ATM tweaking all ethanol versions, with the coders arguing heavily over the exact values as normal, so quite likely to have some form of tweak soon. Then we can all argue about it not being quite right and start the cycle anew. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-60449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
unmovedmover Posted March 31, 2016 Author Posted March 31, 2016 Pull request here: https://github.com/ParadiseSS13/Paradise/pull/4005 Looks like it's been implemented. Cheers :-) Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/6981-tweak-drunkenness-thresholds/#findComment-60485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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