SigholtStarsong Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 Currently, Hivelords spawn so many broods that two miners can be totally and easily surrounded and pretty much never have a chance to actually engage the Hivelord - pinning you down indefinitely. The spawnrate of Broods needs to be reduced drastically or other changes need to be made to justify the balance. Combat log from an actual game contained below. Reveal hidden contents Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! [Common] M.A.C. (Mechanic) says, "Else you end up like your co-workers." Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the left leg! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! [Common] Kitsa Luoupan Katsis (Shaft Miner) asks, "What happened to them?" Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! [supply] Seekisseekiseeki sskakss (Shaft Miner) stammers, "Y-yess-ss-s-ss-s i d-doo" Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! [supply] Seekisseekiseeki sskakss (Shaft Miner) stammers, "It-tss-ss-s-ss-s s-ss-ssee" Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! [Common] Subdon Edwards (Chaplain) says, "Found engineer clothes i think someone died" Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! [Common] M.A.C. (Mechanic) says, "No clue, but there's shadowlings about." Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! [supply] Kitsa Luoupan Katsis (Shaft Miner) says, "Hang on. On my way." Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! [Common] Noble'Lordran'Kazvan'Trav (Gateway Badass #1) stammers, "Brue, t-th-hat-tz g-god-d d-dam-mn z-zz-zz-ztealin-ng-g-g" Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! the hivelord brood slashes Auchsamya Einzwichsischt! Your armor softens the blow! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the right leg! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! the hivelord brood slashes Auchsamya Einzwichsischt! Your armor softens the blow! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! [supply] Seekisseekiseeki sskakss (Shaft Miner) stammers, "N-no h-h-hiv-vel-l-l-lor-r-r-rd-d" Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! the hivelord brood slashes Auchsamya Einzwichsischt! Your armor softens the blow! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! the hivelord brood slashes Auchsamya Einzwichsischt! Your armor softens the blow! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! the hivelord brood slashes Auchsamya Einzwichsischt! Your armor softens the blow! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! the hivelord brood slashes Auchsamya Einzwichsischt! Your armor softens the blow! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! the hivelord brood slashes Auchsamya Einzwichsischt! Your armor softens the blow! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! The proto-kinetic accelerator is not ready to fire again! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has hit the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has struck the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! [supply] Kitsa Luoupan Katsis (Shaft Miner) says, "I'm almost out. Hang in there." Auchsamya Einzwichsischt fires the proto-kinetic accelerator point blank at the hivelord brood! You fire the proto-kinetic accelerator! hivelord brood is hit by the full strength kinetic force in the head! Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! the hivelord brood slashes Auchsamya Einzwichsischt! Your armor softens the blow! [Common] Harriet Ablian (Botanist) says, "I advise y'all start checking for thralling." Auchsamya Einzwichsischt has bashed the hivelord brood with the proto-kinetic accelerator! Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7035-reduce-the-spawnrate-of-broods-from-hivelords/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
johannhawk Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 i can testify three other people ahelping that they cant kill broods, but actually, they were spawning alot... no idea why the hivelords are suddenly so difficult for miners Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7035-reduce-the-spawnrate-of-broods-from-hivelords/#findComment-60109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidNightfury Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 GET GOOOOOOOOOD Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7035-reduce-the-spawnrate-of-broods-from-hivelords/#findComment-60112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 That's because there was/is a bug where broods can't die. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7035-reduce-the-spawnrate-of-broods-from-hivelords/#findComment-60115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigholtStarsong Posted March 25, 2016 Author Posted March 25, 2016 Regen said: That's because there was/is a bug where broods can't die. Reveal hidden contents Screenshot 30 seconds after critical gibtonite Also, they took two critical gibtonites to the face. They either need to be removed until their immortality is fixed or a massive rework is done, IMHO. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7035-reduce-the-spawnrate-of-broods-from-hivelords/#findComment-60119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 The problem is 100% the delay on death of all mining mobs. On /tg/ it self attacking a hivebrood will instantly remove it from play and allow you to cut a path right to the hivelord. Here, broods just stick around for another second or so blocking your path and the newly spawned brood will take it's place making progressing to a lord annoying difficult. Not sure why exactly it does this, seems simple mobs don't force update their health when they take damage though. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7035-reduce-the-spawnrate-of-broods-from-hivelords/#findComment-60120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
johannhawk Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 i clearly remember one hit punching my way through broods 5 weeks after we got TG mining and easily reaching the hivelord Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7035-reduce-the-spawnrate-of-broods-from-hivelords/#findComment-60122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted March 25, 2016 Posted March 25, 2016 It seems to be a bug with simple animals right now, the same thing is occurring with blob spores. They aren't hostile after they are killed, however, they just follow you around and get in your general way for a bit, before disappearing. That said, hivelords are obnoxious to deal with even without this bug, I don't even bother fighting them unless I have mining mobs in mob capsules on hand. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7035-reduce-the-spawnrate-of-broods-from-hivelords/#findComment-60127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 You haven't known true pain until you've been attacked by a basalisk and two hivelords at once, especially if you're flanked. Luckily broods despawn after you get far enough away, so digging a tunnel out and waiting a bit is your best option usually. If any of the coders could pinpoint this bug and fix it, it'd be a godsend, as I know carp, spiders and viserators are all effected by it. Vampire bats too. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7035-reduce-the-spawnrate-of-broods-from-hivelords/#findComment-60182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted March 26, 2016 Posted March 26, 2016 The problem is that mobs cannot die instantly, more or less. The mob's death is handled whenever its next life process happens (which occurs once every 2 seconds) instead of when it takes damage. Ideally, this should all update after a mob receives any kind of damage---then, once its receives the damage, the health is instantly updated and the mob is killed if the proper threshold has been passed. This is a problem inherent for all mobs (human or otherwise). Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7035-reduce-the-spawnrate-of-broods-from-hivelords/#findComment-60187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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