Regen Posted May 29, 2016 Posted May 29, 2016 Give some form of indication that the person has a weapons permit, like how the locality implant works. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farya Posted May 29, 2016 Posted May 29, 2016 Give some form of indication that the person has a weapons permit, like how the locality implant works. But weapon permit tided to job not as different access. And most of that jobs are security. The rest is command feagures and bartender. Or you would also like to have weapon permit as some kind of access which could be given to ID and checked by HUDs and Beepsky? That would be neat feature. HoS/Comdom could issue or strip weapon permit from people. Bartender break the SOP regulations regarding his shotgun? Confiscate the weapon and burn the permission. Situation require creation of milita? Create it and issue permits. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted May 29, 2016 Author Posted May 29, 2016 Wow your post is a mess :V Yes, weapons permit is an access thing you can give to ID's which will make Beepsky not beat you over the head if you're having a weapon out close to him. This would allow security to see who actually has a permit to wield that RnD printed laser cannon and who doesn't Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrAzYPiLoT Posted May 29, 2016 Posted May 29, 2016 Your wishes have been tended to: https://github.com/ParadiseSS13/Paradise/pull/4535 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 Too easy to meta; if you manage to acquire all access, this makes it painfully obvious that you have. You can hide your all access, easily, by changing your job title, but yet you can't do it with this, making it a superrrr easy meta-tool. It means if you manage to steal an ID and get ahold of all access, you have to forego weapons permits, specifically, and end up getting screwed by beepsky/ED-209's---it also means that when you managed to sneak in an ID change from a guest pass or with an agent ID, you still ultimately have the same problem. It's an interesting idea, but is just far too easy to meta. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrAzYPiLoT Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 You already would get screwed by bots, I haven't touched that. IMO, meta on this doesn't really apply. The captain or HoP can give anyone a permit, should the person be immediately lynched by security? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 You already would get screwed by bots, I haven't touched that. IMO, meta on this doesn't really apply. The captain or HoP can give anyone a permit, should the person be immediately lynched by security? I think you're missin' the point. Person A has all access, but hid it under his job title. Officer McValuhs sees Person A and notices that he has a weapons permit->stun->arrest->jailed. This doesn't just apply to those who directly gets assigned all access, but those who also steal it---as with agent ID cards. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinatacolada Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 He'd already be in trouble just for having all access, the job title doesn't change the icon the HUD displays Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 What he's saying is that anyway to make it easily identifiable who has a weapon would be instantly recognizable even if they did nothing to draw attention to themselves. Botanist with a weapon permit? Hello shitsec excuse to random search and find an emag or that his ID itself can be changed. As for the SecHud icon, manually adding access doesn't change the icon, so if someone just pushed all the buttons they would otherwise get around that. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farya Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 If someone want to play stealthily and make discrete all-access - weapon permit could be safely ignored. You would not wield weapons openly anyway. And if you need to do so - equip second non-descrete full-access ID with weapon permit on it. There is ID computer at arrivals checkpoint and security rarely visit it. So its not very difficult to get inside and make second ID. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrAzYPiLoT Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 I forgot to state that the icon only shows if you are wearing your ID. If you are holding it, or put it anywhere else, it won't show up, just like the job icon. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doukan Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 It's something you'd expect to have as a physical license. Something you can attach to your jumpsuit maybe? Having it as an ID thing would just bring too many problems. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceTimeNow Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 Personally I think this is the kind of thing that should be done via ingame documents, which sadly are never used. This community drifted very far away from using forms, following any sort of SOP. Ingame rules are being bend or just plain broken (e.g. Roboticists in Mechs, Chemists and Scientists having dangerous chems in the hallway or Geneticists with hulk running around) and the community just accepts it as normal and to be expected. I could go on about how this influences game-play and basically sets up security for failure. But I think what I am getting at here is, that a feature like this wouldn't be used anyway because that would require said persons to actually get permission from the right people. I really struggle to find a good reason why anyone but security should get a weapon permit. In emergencies like blob, aliens or non stealth nukies you wouldn't need a permit, because all rules usually instantly fly out of the window and it's just about survival. In a "normal" round with maybe some lingering antag threat i don't see a good argument to be made as to why someone should have a weapon / lethal. So I don't think the issue here is that it is not properly communicated to security who is or who isn't allowed a weapon, but rather that security has become incredibly indecisive and ultimately paralyzed. If you play a security officer how i personally understand the role to be played and how i remember it being played a few years ago, then nowadays half of the server would probably throw stones at you. So i think this is rather a general community issue than something that could be fixed with a game mechanic. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doukan Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 If I'm remembering it properly, the bartender's office has a paper license in it at round start. A special stamp or something for authorizing it would be a nice addition (and maybe finally give traitors a reason to buy the chameleon stamp). Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinatacolada Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 WELL Non-security personnel require a signed and stamped permit from the Head of Security or Captain. http://nanotrasen.se/wiki/index.php/Warden#Clearance_Level_Check Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrAzYPiLoT Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 It's something you'd expect to have as a physical license.Something you can attach to your jumpsuit maybe? Having it as an ID thing would just bring too many problems. It already is an ID thing, making it physical would be an unnecessary hassle. The bots check against your ID for other stuff too, so it makes sense it would be there. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-64987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farya Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 I think CMO should also be part of giving someone weapon permit along with HoS just like in real life. Or Psychiatrist. Because you would not hand out a weapon to insane prick. So I think psych need his own stamp too. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-65000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sothangel Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 Nothing wrong with a signed and stamped paper licence Also, you can have all access and still appear as a civilian on sechud - it's tied to the name and not the access for what icon shows, I believe. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-65001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 I think CMO should also be part of giving someone weapon permit along with HoS just like in real life. Or Psychiatrist. Because you would not hand out a weapon to insane prick.So I think psych need his own stamp too. Real life Weapons Research Labs can actually create and test weapons before getting the military or law enforcement involved in decided whether or not it's viable and acceptable for service. Back on topic, if we were going to impliment this, it should only apply when a "weapon" is being held, to include syringe guns and somatarays. Security would get a heads up when someone is waliking around with a gun, but also generate a lot of false positives like beepsky does so they'd need to examine and check first. (And make unwarrented arrests and excessive force count as assault if officers are tasing people carrying weapon like objects ) Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-65003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPK Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Here's my two bits: If someone wants a gun, they should get a signed and stamped paper for that gun from the Captain or HoS. If they bring that paper to the HoP, the HoP can then add weapons access to their ID. Also, their gun should be labeled with a hand labeler to prove it's theirs. However, we really don't need another icon for sec HUDs. Instead, if security sees someone walking down the hallway with a gun, security should ask if they have a permit. If no, then arrest the guy and confiscate their weapon, and tell them they can get it back if they get a permit. Also, there ought to be something about civvies with guns on different alert levels. If the gun has lethal capabilities, then it needs to either be carried on their belt or back on code green, or stashed away in a private locker. They can have it in their pack on code blue, but on code red, if they're walking around in the hallways with their gun drawn they need to be moved back to their department. And it really doesn't need to be stated, but if they don't have their permit on them, then that's no good. If they break any of these rules, then their weapon permit can be revoked. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-65029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doukan Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Really though this'd all be pointless anyway, it'd only be another bit of SoP that everyone can safely ignore. Unless there's a spehsul mechanic for it, it's nothing we can't already have in game already with the magic of creative formatting. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/7470-make-weapons-permits-visible-with-sec-huds/#findComment-65033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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