Kyet Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) Simple idea: when a traitor hears a syndicate codeword/response, highlight it in some way. Normal crew don't see any difference... but traitors can use this to get each others' attention. This would mean codewords actually got used, and make it easier for traitors to work together. Example: Notice that the words don't appear highlighted at first, but once I become a traitor, I see codewords in bold text. (Ignore the fact that "Prisoner Processing" doesn't highlight in the last line of this example, that's a bug I have not been able to patch yet) Code: https://github.com/ParadiseSS13/Paradis ... deword_say Trello: https://trello.com/c/bdgCcS7T Thoughts? Edited December 11, 2016 by Guest Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ansari Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 +1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubmcnoob Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 Yes, this would make code words immensely more useful. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 Merge please, screw the feature freeze. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holyass Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 Why not just change it to a sentence and a response sentence that won't alert the crew? like hows the weather at sol? I heard that it's raining plasma. Or something like that, Odd stuff that the crew nearly never speaks of but stuff that the players just think they just Role playing :3 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 Sentences are obvious and dull... having words perfectly woven into a conversation however.... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keroman Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 "LOOC - NewbieMcTator: y r sum words bold?" Just kidding, I like it! Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urlance Woolsbane Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 Why not just change it to a sentence and a response sentence that won't alert the crew? like hows the weather at sol? I heard that it's raining plasma. Or something like that, Odd stuff that the crew nearly never speaks of but stuff that the players just think they just Role playing :3 Aye. Most of the time, it's nigh impossible to use all three words into a single conversation and still sound sane. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiberDark Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 Definatly YES + 1 billion Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 Why not just change it to a sentence and a response sentence that won't alert the crew? like hows the weather at sol? I heard that it's raining plasma. Or something like that, Odd stuff that the crew nearly never speaks of but stuff that the players just think they just Role playing :3 Aye. Most of the time, it's nigh impossible to use all three words into a single conversation and still sound sane. This is the trick, you don't need -all- three words. Ideally you say one in a sentence, they response with a word in theirs, you respond again with another... that way it doesn't look ridiculous and to everyone else you're having a reasonable conversation... I've had this happen a few times with other more RP-heavy Tot players. And with this update it'll happen even more! @TZO - does this work with PDA messages or Announcements? Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyet Posted December 11, 2016 Author Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) How letting ghosts see the highlighted code words when they enable antag-hud? Done. One small quirk: right now if you are near someone as a ghost when they use a codeword, you won't notice (as their whole text will be bold). I'm considering changing the markup for the highlight to be red text, or maybe have a box around it, for this reason. @TZO - does this work with PDA messages or Announcements? Not right now. Partly, this is because PDAs/Announcements are more complexity. I looked on https://github.com/ParadiseSS13/Paradis ... nnounce.dm - and every type of announcement seems to have its own special code to broadcast, meaning I'd have to modify all of them. Partly, this is because: - The entire point of codewords is to identify agents you did not know about. If you're PDAing someone as a traitor, you probably already know about them. - Very few people have access to create announcements, and announcements get more scrutiny. An announcement about, say, the blueshield, or beepsky smash, is more suspicious than simply mentioning those words over the radio. Everyone pays attention to announcements, but most people will miss a normal radio message. Unless of course, they're a traitor, and to them, it has bold text.... Edited December 11, 2016 by Guest Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley29 Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 Please, that way in the midst of chaos I can see who I should not murder Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiberDark Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 Can we finally get rid of the freeze. All coders are working on there projects already waiting for the end. This freeze failed more or less. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 Please, that way in the midst of chaos I can see who I should not murder *nudges the round we played a few weeks back* *triggers his EMP implant anyway* Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DayZ Me Trolling Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 Really nice idea, would make it easier to drop words during convo's, 1+ Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76069 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley29 Posted December 11, 2016 Posted December 11, 2016 Please, that way in the midst of chaos I can see who I should not murder *nudges the round we played a few weeks back* *triggers his EMP implant anyway* >:C Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urlance Woolsbane Posted December 14, 2016 Posted December 14, 2016 Why not just change it to a sentence and a response sentence that won't alert the crew? like hows the weather at sol? I heard that it's raining plasma. Or something like that, Odd stuff that the crew nearly never speaks of but stuff that the players just think they just Role playing :3 Aye. Most of the time, it's nigh impossible to use all three words into a single conversation and still sound sane. This is the trick, you don't need -all- three words. Ideally you say one in a sentence, they response with a word in theirs, you respond again with another... that way it doesn't look ridiculous and to everyone else you're having a reasonable conversation... I've had this happen a few times with other more RP-heavy Tot players. And with this update it'll happen even more! Thanks! The in-game text could perhaps be clearer on the matter. =P Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadols Posted December 14, 2016 Posted December 14, 2016 Merge please, screw the feature freeze. I agree, merge it as fast as possible.. Tzo, you`re a genius. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted December 14, 2016 Posted December 14, 2016 https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/21238 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexpkeaton Posted December 16, 2016 Posted December 16, 2016 Merge please, screw the feature freeze. Or, you know... screw the feature freeze. This is a fantastic idea, Tzo. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyet Posted December 22, 2016 Author Posted December 22, 2016 https://github.com/tgstation/tgstation/pull/21238 Does this mean: "Here is something similar" "Please port this instead" "You might get ideas from this" ... something else ... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasparoVv Posted December 23, 2016 Posted December 23, 2016 I'd say it's up for interpretation. Something I don't believe anyone's mentioned in this thread: Why not just configure code-word highlighting with the functionality we got with Goon-chat? Click the cog, configure the words you want highlighted. That'll do what you're all looking for, no PR merge required. I'm going to admit that I don't use the Goon-chat string highlighting feature nearly enough (if at all) and when I do, I'm certain I don't realize its potential. But there is potential! You just have to configure it. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox McCloud Posted December 23, 2016 Posted December 23, 2016 The purpose of posting it was to give ideas, demonstrate the idea has been kicked around elsewhere, and show a different potential way of handling it (and what that looks like). Kasp brings up an excellent point though; we already really have this, with Goonchat highlighting. It's even more obvious with that, since it highlights the text---you can even specify color. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyet Posted December 24, 2016 Author Posted December 24, 2016 I'd say it's up for interpretation. Something I don't believe anyone's mentioned in this thread: Why not just configure code-word highlighting with the functionality we got with Goon-chat? Click the cog, configure the words you want highlighted. That'll do what you're all looking for, no PR merge required. I'm going to admit that I don't use the Goon-chat string highlighting feature nearly enough (if at all) and when I do, I'm certain I don't realize its potential. But there is potential! You just have to configure it. Nobody does that, though. I wasn't even aware it was possible until you mentioned it. The point of automatically highlighting traitor codewords is to automatically highlight them. IE: to make them obvious to traitors who would not otherwise have noticed them. The people who manually configure highlighting aren't really the target audience for this. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiberDark Posted December 24, 2016 Posted December 24, 2016 Can you explain, how i can highlight words? I have no clue and i play more then 2 years on paradise. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/8924-post-freeze-pr-traitor-codeword-highlighting/#findComment-76797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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