MarkvA Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 So a lot of people have been wanting the game to be more deadly/unforgiving and less hugboxy. One of the ways we could achieve this is by making it so you can only open a firelock with a crowbar (or by asking an AI/robot to open it). This means that if you get stuck inside of a room with a raging plasma fire you'll die instead of being able to casually walk out. Most other servers (at least /tg/) have this: attempting to open an airlock with your hands will only have you knock on the airlock. Just something I was thinking about while working on firelocks, let me know what you think. If there's enough people that like it I'll open a PR. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadols Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 Nope... -1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkvA Posted February 11, 2017 Author Posted February 11, 2017 Nope...-1 Very good reasoning, thank you. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 In my experience, this just makes firelocks more tedious. [spoilertext]As much as I'd love to slam down firelocks on obnoxious greytide as the AI without issue, I don't think this is for the best.[/spoilertext] Sorry, Mark, but I don't think this is a good idea. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 I wholeheartedly support this, as long as the firelocks close faster (IE: outright disabling the ability of people to pull fire alarms and run away) or the fire alarm panels get access restricted. Otherwise it's just going to be used as an annoyance by clowns rather than something that saves/kills people. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeGuy9283 Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 So a lot of people have been wanting the game to be more deadly/unforgiving and less hugboxy. One of the ways we could achieve this is by making it so you can only open a firelock with a crowbar (or by asking an AI/robot to open it). This means that if you get stuck inside of a room with a raging plasma fire you'll die instead of being able to casually walk out. Most other servers (at least /tg/) have this: attempting to open an airlock with your hands will only have you knock on the airlock. Just something I was thinking about while working on firelocks, let me know what you think. If there's enough people that like it I'll open a PR. If EMPs will set off and area fire alarm, dropping the doors, allow the invidual affected locks to be opened by a second EMP. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinarzad Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 So a lot of people have been wanting the game to be more deadly/unforgiving and less hugboxy. One of the ways we could achieve this is by making it so you can only open a firelock with a crowbar (or by asking an AI/robot to open it). This means that if you get stuck inside of a room with a raging plasma fire you'll die instead of being able to casually walk out. Most other servers (at least /tg/) have this: attempting to open an airlock with your hands will only have you knock on the airlock. Just something I was thinking about while working on firelocks, let me know what you think. If there's enough people that like it I'll open a PR. I would personally be in favor of this. Firelocks, one would think, are there specifically so people DON'T open them with their bare hands and spread a raging fire. Better to lose only three people in Science then two people andn ow have Science and the entire primary hallway hotter then the surface of the sun. It's more Logical in terms of RP, and it ups the deadliness factor of fires, so tops all around from me. Crowbars are enough to get and keep for a rainy day anyway, or shouting at the AI. I'd suggest also that a pAI's door jack also be able to do it, with relative speed. But that's just me getting off track. +1 to the idea. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 I'm all for it, it's a good change to make the game less hugbox Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExGame Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Yes. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doukan Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Yes please. Although maybe make it so they're instantly openable with a crowbar/correct ID but still plyable open with bare hands with a medium delay. I remember the days of old!firelocks well and being trapped in by them while certainly not hugboxy was more than a bit infuriating. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubmcnoob Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Please, it's super annoying getting the text box "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS WITH THIS FIRELOCK" when you are in combat and accidentally click on one. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
necaladun Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 I once lost out my greentext just so I could beat to death someone who opened a firelock in an area I was repairing. This is a pet peeve of mine. At the very least, atmos should be able to lock them (swipe ID on them?) or the like. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExGame Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Please, it's super annoying getting the text box "ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS WITH THIS FIRELOCK" when you are in combat and accidentally click on one. The message got removed. Now you get to open it just by clicking, no confirmation. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
necaladun Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 I still get the message...sometimes. I think when you click on it with an item that's not an ID card or crowbar? Possibly also when the air alarms are active (rather than just the fire alarm). Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citinited Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Emags should open firelocks in case of nuke ops, but otherwise seems like a good idea. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 I'm very much for it. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadols Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Nope...-1 Very good reasoning, thank you. At least make it so, only people with the correct "ID" or with a crowbar, can open firelocks... it's really useful to be able to open firelocks when in need to get out from a dangerous situation.. or close em to fix stuff... (Sorry for the "Bad Reason" , anyway everyone seems to like your suggestion so good luck ) Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
necaladun Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Doukans suggestion a delaynfor opening them by hand would work well, especially if they autoclose soon after. If only crowbar, then pulling fire alarms randomly would get wayyy more annoying. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NethIafin Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 I don't see how it makes things less hugboxxy. IMO people can call paradise a Hugbox because we limit antags (not that this is bad) But I'm fine with this idea Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9417-discussion-limiting-firelocks-opening-to-crowbarsais/#findComment-79331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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