Shadeykins Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 IE: The act of consuming whatever it is from botany, and having the sprite grow to astronomical proportions. I sincerely fail to see how this mechanic adds anything to Paradise, especially when we've been actively fighting to retain "medium" RP. It's silly, and fun, but 80 foot high skyscrapers running down the hallway really don't contribute anything outside of that initial kneejerk laugh. Certain mechanics can have an astronomical impact on how seriously a player is willing to take the server, and to what extent people are reasonably going to roleplay in any sense of the word. This is one of those mechanics. Catdrugs on Goon is a great example of this sort of thing. Mechanics can, and do have an impact on the general level of roleplay you can expect in a server. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Agreed, it's stupid, and quite frankly makes us look like [insert vore server here] Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Yeah my first thought was why did we import vore mechanics, my second thought was when did botany become a full time mememachine/tator workshop. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KasparoVv Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 I think (like just about all of botany rn) it's bloody hilarious and that it should be limited rather than removed. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumiluntti Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 It adds nothing of value and looks stupid. Kill it. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tristan1333 Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Good on TG, not for para. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Agreed, it's stupid, and quite frankly makes us look like [insert vore server here] Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
swaggaboy112 Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 No fun allowed: the thread Growth serum is hilarious, the fact that people grow plants with it and a lot of the crew eats them shows people love it. Realism is not an argument given we have cluwnes and superfart and a lot of other dumb crap Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 It's not about realism. It's about "This is a bit too silly for a medium roleplay server." Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinarzad Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 It's not about realism.It's about "This is a bit too silly for a medium roleplay server." Then we better remove HONKS and Recitence mechs, plus the ability to Superfart, also toilet water/greenvomit, also fat people exploding with the thin mints. There's a lot of stupid silly things in SS13. If we're gonna start axeing silly things, a 'Growth serum' is one of the lesser of the silly objects we have. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 We really should remove those things, yes. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regen Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 It's not about realism.It's about "This is a bit too silly for a medium roleplay server." Then we better remove HONKS and Recitence mechs, plus the ability to Superfart, also toilet water/greenvomit, also fat people exploding with the thin mints. There's a lot of stupid silly things in SS13. If we're gonna start axeing silly things, a 'Growth serum' is one of the lesser of the silly objects we have. The difference is that things like mint and the HONK mech has been in the game for literally years, while this growth serum was added very recently. If we want to steer away from being a lowRP server like TG then perhaps we should start to curb these over the top silly things, not continue to add them because TG does it Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedr Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 If it can't be quickly fixed and curbed, i'd rather see this removed than stay. Some sillyness has it's place in the med rp enviroment we strive for, but the way growth serum is implemented right now, is just jarring. The upscaled sprites are fuzzy, clip through shit, and are just in general bad. This goes for both produce with growth serum and mobs who ingested it. Unless this can be fixed & curbed to decent levels of growing asap, i'd rather see this removed than kept. TL:DR; I don't want to see this shit, it's bad. Either get rid of it or fix it. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machofish Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Agreed with everyone else here - it's terrible. As far as a game mechanic, it's poorly implemented, has no dynamics in terms of meshing with other mechanics of the server, and contributes nothing to the server - aside from lowering our already abhorrently low RP threshold. This is as bad as the stupid hamsterwheel maint drones we used to have. Items like the HONK mech are acceptable since they're well-coded, fully implemented, and they exist due to meshing with other elements of the game - such as robotics, or the fact that the honkerblast horn can knock down xenomorphs - botany size growth does not mesh with any elements, it is frankly ugly and it is anathema to any sort of RP - thus, we stand everything to gain and nothing to lose from removing it. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyet Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Growth serum should be removed completely. It looks awful. Just look at those sprites. SS13 character sprites are NOT meant to be that size, and it shows. They look terrible. It doesn't function well, either. While working on Terror Spiders, I tried creating giant versions of the spiders for bosses. It did not work well. They kept ended up biting themselves, getting suck on doors, etc. It was a mess. Character sprites in SS13 shouldn't be wildly bigger than the norm - it leads to issues. I have to say, I prefer old botany. - No giants running around. - No weird tomatoes that fill everyone with teslium, lead to people dying from electric shocks on the shuttle, and don't even show up properly in the logs. - No botany rooms that look like the local college's biodiversity department 10 years after chernobyl hit. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purpose2 Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Totally remove growth serum.... If anything, honestly, I prefer old botany and would rather it just be reverted. And while we're removing stupid shit, move the Captain's crown from his roundstart locker to being only available through the hat crate from Cargo. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 304000 cell powered auto recharging potato batteries anybody? hue hue nothing'll go wrong there. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidchan Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 I haven't played much with the botany system myself but it seems like all the worst parts of RnD and Chemistry slapped into jar and given to a civilian job with some borderline sekrit khem elitism going on. Plants either need some kind of limiting factor on them like how genetics DNA works or the system needs to be scrapped. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunDOS Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 Growth serum should be removed completely. It looks awful. Just look at those sprites. SS13 character sprites are NOT meant to be that size, and it shows. They look terrible. Edit: That's Pablo Memewood, and I was totally there when that was taken! Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urlance Woolsbane Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 No fun allowed: the thread Growth serum is hilarious, the fact that people grow plants with it and a lot of the crew eats them shows people love it. Realism is not an argument given we have cluwnes and superfart and a lot of other dumb crap If people were spamming cluwnes and superfart, I'd want them gone too. And as others have said, growth serum looks bad and is poorly implemented. It's inherently spammy and jarring. I'm all for silliness if well-done, but this is just plain broken. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyet Posted February 13, 2017 Posted February 13, 2017 I've posted a PR to remove "growth serum": https://github.com/ParadiseSS13/Paradise/pull/6433 If you support this, give the PR a thumbs up on github. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9419-removelimit-botany-quotgrowthquot-mechanic/#findComment-79300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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