Chaznoodles Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Radman2307 said: The point is those docs could be doing other things. Like what, taking all the drugs the chemist is making? I feel like this suggestion will just gimp any antag who needs something from Medbay. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-80932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyD47 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 I think the point is for them to throw out baldies not hunt antags. Having them only have basic equipment would support this. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-80933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeletalElite Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Yeah that's what I see this job as. Equipped to deal with greytide not a valid hunter incarnate Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-80935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Tim Posted March 10, 2017 Author Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) On 10.03.2017 at 5:40 PM, Chaznoodles said: Like what, taking all the drugs the chemist is making? I feel like this suggestion will just gimp any antag who needs something from Medbay. Yes, because medbay doesn't have anything to do and just spends all the rounds stoned. As for your second opinion, I'd say it won't be worse than super-bullshit-SR-magical-resurrection. This IS making antag's life harder. And playing a medical staff member less fun. Having someone dedicated to get rid of people, who.. let's say... break in to the ORs during operations, or steal medpacks, or just slip you when you're attending a pateint because it's all damn funny... That sort of thing, you know? That's the thing that medbay guard should deal with. Edited March 12, 2017 by Happy Tim Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-80958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted March 11, 2017 Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Happy Tim said: I'd say it won't be worse than super-bullshit-SR-magical-resurrection. This IS making antag's life harder. And playing a medical staff member less fun. I 100% agree with this. When I first started playing the game I played Paramedic a lot, always had a defib on my back, enough supplies in my belt to heal up critical victims, and it was super exciting for me to try to get to people in time to revive them. Once I discovered SR it took the thrill out of being a paramedic and working medbay in general. I don't think SR is going away ever..but maybe it DOES need a time limit like a defib (longr than a defib...but similar...10-15 min?). Like maybe once the body starts rotting a bloating its too late. Which would make sense. Sorta weird to be like "This body is heavily decomposed...wait...SCIENCE!! All better now. Lets forget your blood has coagulated, rigor has set in, and your skin and organs are rotting. Maybe we need a new post for this. Edited March 11, 2017 by ZN23X Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-80974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) I've updated the "job request form" I created to give to the HOP. The previous one entailed a lot of work on the HOPs end because it required manual permissions to both medbay and sec to be given. This is both time consuming and I've had several instances (honestly more often than not) that I wasn't even given all the proper permissions and needed to wait in the HOP line again to get it fixed. I've now realized that the Brig Physician has all the proper access required so the new form just has the HOP changing the requestors job to Brig Physician, then a custom name of Medbay Guard. Easier for the HOP, HOPs line moves faster, less margin for error. Everyone wins. The Brig Physician thing might also be useful for anyone who might be working on actually programming this class into the game. Some sort of copy n paste thing. I dunno shit about coding so maybe I'm blowing smoke. Hope it helps Heres the new form:. Copy n paste it on a piece of paper n hand it to the HOP. Also helps to get permission from the CMO and HOS first depending on who the HOP is. Employment Application[br] Name: [field][br] Rank: [field][br] NanoTrasen Science Station Cyberiad [br] [br] New Job Title: Medbay Guard[br] Supervisors: Head of Security and Chief Medical Officer[br] Role: Patrols Medbay and protect it from any threats. Guard is NOT to leave Medbay and assist security with threats outside of Medbay except for extreme emergencies. The safety of Medbay and its occupants should be the top priority. Threats should be detained or neutralized as necessary, detained threats should be escorted to security for proper processing.[br] Equipment: Medbay Guard is to be equipped with the same basic gear as a Security Officer has at the beginning of the shift, as well as both a Security and Medical headset. Further security equipment at HOS's or Warden's discretion.[br] Standard Operating Procedure: Medbay Guard is required to follow the same guidelines as both a Security Officer AND Medical Doctor, prioritizing Security SOP over Medical SOP. [br][br] I hereby declare that I understand the functions and restrictions of this job and will follow them to the best of my abilities.[br] Signature: [sign][br][br] FOR HEAD OF PERSONNEL USAGE[br] For job creation, first switch job title to Brig Physician to give the proper access, then change to a custom job named Medbay Guard.[br] Authorization[br] Name: [field][br] Rank: [field][br][br] If authorized, please sign here, [field], and stamp the document with the Department Stamp.[br][br] Guidelines that must be followed. If they are not followed, this form is void and illegal.[br] The department in which the requester is requesting access must first be contacted, and the chief (acting or otherwise) must have been talked to and have authorized this request. If any criminal activity is done with the help of this extra access, this form will be immediately void and unlawful. If the chief of the affected department wishes this form void, this form is immediately void and unlawful. [br] [br] Edited March 12, 2017 by ZN23X 2 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-81057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvadableMoxie Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 I play Medical pretty much exclusively and would really like something like this. When you have graytide walking right by doctors and then spamming the medical storage as if Medbay is a fucking Help Yourself Pharmacy it's really annoying, but not quite worthy of calling for security to run half-way across the station when you know they aren't going to get there before he leaves anyway. Also, when things are hectic, someone assigned to get anyone who isn't a doctor or patient the hell out of medbay would be great. It's really annoying when Cryo/Cloning turn into a traffic jam because people are either just standing around wasting space or trying to play doctor themselves. As far as SR goes (since it got brought up) My problem with it is that if you have a chemist who knows what they are doing you'll have 300 of them 5 minutes into the shift which means it's more or less unlimited. It's not just that it's powerful, it's that it's effectively an unlimited resource. I think making it take 20u per pill to work would make the supply far more limited and keep the Paramedic job valuable. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-81139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
froz-t Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Medbay honestly doesn't need the guard. If antaggery goes on, it's a good thing, because it takes Sec like half a minute to respond, unless they are on patrol. That's the beauty of the design of the map. Medbay should be a vital target to hit, and hitting it should have impact. A designated guard just isn't necessary, nor a good thing, because it throws off the balance of the map. Edit: When I see complaints about greytide, that sounds more like a root problem than something solved by an extra redshirt. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-81140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyet Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) I am still of the opinion that this is essentially a Bouncer, who chooses to work in medbay: https://github.com/ParadiseSS13/Paradise/pull/6610 I might make 'Medbay Bouncer' or 'Orderly' one of the alt titles for Bouncer in the PR. Edited March 14, 2017 by tzo Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-81158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted March 14, 2017 Posted March 14, 2017 4 hours ago, tzo said: I am still of the opinion that this is essentially a Bouncer, who chooses to work in medbay: https://github.com/ParadiseSS13/Paradise/pull/6610 I might make 'Medbay Bouncer' or 'Orderly' one of the alt titles for Bouncer in the PR. Bouncer with various alterations would be useful so as you say, they can work where they choose (or where needed) Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-81169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted March 23, 2017 Posted March 23, 2017 (edited) Bumping this due to playing in the test runs on Metastation. The resources to create this class already exist: Take the locker and it's contents from the sec checkpoint in Metastation medbay. Take the current map used for Paradise and change the northern most isolation room (which are *NEVER* used) from Medbay into a sec checkpoint. (They just completely overhauled all of maint so I imagine one little room isn't that much work) Take the code for brig doc (which already has all the necessary access), copy and paste, change the name and some appearance gear. For a uniform I've tried a few things but my favorite has been white jumpsuit, white cap, jackboots and black/fingerless gloves. Done deal. Medbay guard is then born. Overextended security force on the overpopulated server gets some relief. Antags get a bit more of a challenge. It's not just antags job to make the game interesting, thier opposition is meant to make it more interesting for them as well It'd even give antags another potential location to steal gear from like they already do with the arrivals checkpoint. Edited March 24, 2017 by ZN23X Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-81922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 Honestly, as long as this means medical armbands are coming back into play I'm all for it... Those armband accessories were <3 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-81950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted March 24, 2017 Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) I'll even volunteer myself to create the wiki page for this class as long as someone who is capable of adding it to the game does it. I'll do anything I'm capable of to help make this happen. I'm aware this isn't something that can happen overnight I'm just trying to keep it alive till someone says they are working on it lol Do I need to start a topic in code discussion or do I just cross my fingers and hope? Who do I have to befriend? I need to know where to start lol Edited March 24, 2017 by ZN23X Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-81958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted March 26, 2017 Posted March 26, 2017 (edited) There is a survey up asking for new jobs people want. If you wanna see this job exist as much as I do, go take the survey! Click blue text below. Medbay Guard under both Security and Medical. Show your support! Let's make this happen! Edited March 26, 2017 by ZN23X Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-82071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) BUMP!!! Pretty please? With a cherry on top? *puppy dog eyes* *flutters eyelashes* This working at all? Don't MAKE me learn how to code things!!! Edited April 12, 2017 by ZN23X Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-83429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeGuy9283 Posted April 13, 2017 Posted April 13, 2017 1 hour ago, ZN23X said: BUMP!!! Pretty please? With a cherry on top? *puppy dog eyes* *flutters eyelashes* This working at all? Don't MAKE me learn how to code things!!! The Bouncer PR is still open, though it would appear to have fallen by the wayside. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9626-suggestion-medbay-guard/page/2/#findComment-83433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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