trexter555 Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Instead of telescopic batons, stun batons, and improvised stun batons being a guaranteed instant stun, make it have a chance not to stun. Armor increases the chance that it doesn't stun. It doesn't make sense that a greytide with a tiny telecopic baton can instantly stun a nukeop with full armor. It's balanced in my opinion. If not this, then atleast disable full hardsuits getting stunned with them. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 If you're getting stunned as a nukie, get an adren implant. Or a borg, or a mech. Or just shoot everyone that rushes you. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-81037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trexter555 Posted March 12, 2017 Author Posted March 12, 2017 3 minutes ago, Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws said: If you're getting stunned as a nukie, get an adren implant. Or a borg, or a mech. Or just shoot everyone that rushes you. But still, it doesn't make sense that something little like a telescopic baton can instantly stun a full hardsuit wearing nuke ops. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-81038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupcakes_n_Hacksaws Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Just now, trexter555 said: But still, it doesn't make sense that something little like a telescopic baton can instantly stun a full hardsuit wearing nuke ops. Eh, maybe the elite suits can give minor stun reduction, so that they can't be cuffed with a single stun Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-81039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Hello, I hate instastun. Having it run off of RNG to not hit is really... ehhhh. And, really, as a nukie all you need to block against that is an eshield/ esword/ adrenal implant. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending instastuns, but this isn't the way to fix it. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-81048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumiluntti Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Pretty much what spessmanfart said. I hate instastun bullshit but I hate RNGsus even more. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-81049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubmcnoob Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 We don't need more of this game based off RNG Stuns can easily be avoided and negated if proper techniques are used. Aka get some Adrenal implants as a nukie. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-81051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sothangel Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 And the other antags? Telebatons are often used to chainstun-drag people to security, or to keep them down for maybe a minute whilst someone else gets cuffs, or for stripping people whilst keeping them locked. Telebatons are for self defence, and could do with a duration nerf. Telebaton and run away; that should be the use of it. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-81064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubmcnoob Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 Then this seems more an issue with telebatons rather than a stun itself. As it stands, making stuns work off the basis of RnG is horrible and will make this game the ever more luck based which we want to steer away from. There are varying ways for antags to counter stuns. The antag in question just needs to employ different methods to negate the stun's overall effectiveness. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-81065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleBigKid2000 Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) Quote RNGesus deciding whether or not something hits XCOM flashbacks Edited March 12, 2017 by LittleBigKid2000 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-81067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamkad1 Posted March 12, 2017 Posted March 12, 2017 13 minutes ago, LittleBigKid2000 said: XCOM flashbacks *your soldier misses from point blank with 99% hit chance, alien hits with 1% hit chance* 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-81068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted March 13, 2017 Posted March 13, 2017 Marginally increase the telebaton stun time and increase it's cooldown time by a full second. Easy solution, though honestly a telebaton can't consistently keep someone down anyways. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-81143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 The best with Xcom is when you would be aiming at an alien in front of you and manage to hit and kill the 2 of your soldiers that are behind you lmao That freaking game... Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-83593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvadableMoxie Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Lightnn_Starky said: XCOM Rng is truly something beautiful. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-83594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love-To-Hug Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 I am curious why we don't just make all the stun stuff work like the disabler. Turn all hybrid tasers into disablers, lower the fire rate, and make all the stunsticks require a double tap. You'd probably see riot shotguns used WITHOUT changing the rounds to lethal if that happens. 2 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-83598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZN23X Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 4 hours ago, Love-To-Hug said: I am curious why we don't just make all the stun stuff work like the disabler. There has actually been alot of discussion for this lately. For everything that stuns or knocks down. Including disarm. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-83600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeGuy9283 Posted April 15, 2017 Posted April 15, 2017 (edited) I like what @Love-To-Hug has suggested. I imagine flashes/pepperspray will become more heavily relied on to get your two baton hits in while a suspect is blinded. Telescopic baton should probably still be one-hit, but shorten the knockdown by half a second or so. Stun prods should probably take a full 3 jabs to down a target, but for a few extra second because the power cell is less restricted or whatever. This, if implemented will be a major change in direction for para, and will increase difficulty for sec/antags. I don't think that's a bad thing however. Edited April 15, 2017 by SomeGuy9283 muh grammar Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-83604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doukan Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 On 15/04/2017 at 8:00 AM, Love-To-Hug said: I am curious why we don't just make all the stun stuff work like the disabler. Turn all hybrid tasers into disablers, lower the fire rate, and make all the stunsticks require a double tap. You'd probably see riot shotguns used WITHOUT changing the rounds to lethal if that happens. We actually had almost exactly this come up in game a while ago (one year? more than that, maybe just under 2) when we temporally switched to a halloss or something system where all stuns worked like disablers, ie: like you'd expect a shocky stick to actually work. @Spacemanspark was around then and probably well remembers the salt threads. The net result was stuns were more difficult to actually get but lasted longer and were generally more debilitating if you actually managed to get there, albeit due to how it worked was incredibly easy to cheese with certain tactics/chems (TABLES) but made for better combat flow overall IMO, though as you can imagine fans of the golden bolt weren't too happy. Eventually enough fuss was kicked up and a plebiscite happened, naturally the shitty compromise option came out on top and we've been stick with it ever since. If people are really after a new stun system don't get your hopes up, bear in mind everything would need rebalancing due to how stun being king has shaped the balance of nigh everything since. That and the powers that be love love winsticks for some reason. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-83694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted April 17, 2017 Posted April 17, 2017 I was pretty much the embodiment of the salt in those threads, yes. 1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-83698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamkad1 Posted April 29, 2017 Posted April 29, 2017 (edited) On 15.04.2017 at 8:13 AM, EvadableMoxie said: Goodness gracious, xcom would be better off hiring stormtroopers, even they dont shoot that badly. Also which one this gif comes from Edited April 29, 2017 by adamkad1 Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-84486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebeoni Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 We had this talk before and we nerfed the stuns before and i sucked. Even if you would make sucha PR it would get rejected. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-84774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkuma Posted May 3, 2017 Posted May 3, 2017 On 4/15/2017 at 6:25 AM, ZN23X said: There has actually been alot of discussion for this lately. For everything that stuns or knocks down. Including disarm. except then you start treading on vampires and shadowpeople, and we dont need to make slings any stronger than they already are, compared to security , considering they can already just thrall you through a mindshield with a small delay. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9702-nerf-stuns/#findComment-84786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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