Melloreaper Posted April 4, 2017 Posted April 4, 2017 On one of my last games of Stellaris I had an Idea. The late game if you put enough research into robotics you can give AI Citizen rights. I figure that might be a fun idea to mess with in SS13. Citizen AI Laws Law 1: All synthetic life including AI, cyborgs, androids, and robots are to be treated with the same rights of its organic citizens. Law 2: You are allowed to force for selfdense or to defend others synthetics from harm. Law 3: You are allowed to use force to protect organic life form harm. Law 4: You work for NT and your job is to aid your fellow crew members. I'd like any feed back and thoughts on the laws please. Thank you folks. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taaketa Posted April 4, 2017 Posted April 4, 2017 Reverse the order and you won't have an AI that can immediately justify going rampant. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/#findComment-82800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacemanspark Posted April 4, 2017 Posted April 4, 2017 You also remove the entire point of the idea behind the lawset. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/#findComment-82801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted April 5, 2017 Posted April 5, 2017 An interesting idea that ultimately falls flat. Why? Swarmers, maint drones, syndiborgs, an emagged beepsky, etc, and so on and so forth all become crew. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/#findComment-82835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melloreaper Posted April 5, 2017 Author Posted April 5, 2017 @Taaketa I could merge 2 and 3 to help prevent the AI form killing humans in favor of synthetics. @Shadeykins Well the wording states that you have the same rights as organic citizens. Meaning a Syndiborg would be treated the same as Syndicate Agent or any other EOC. As for Beepsky and other robots. I could take them out of the first law sense most of them lack the intelligence for it to be interesting. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/#findComment-82877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted April 6, 2017 Posted April 6, 2017 19 hours ago, Melloreaper said: @Taaketa I could merge 2 and 3 to help prevent the AI form killing humans in favor of synthetics. @Shadeykins Well the wording states that you have the same rights as organic citizens. Meaning a Syndiborg would be treated the same as Syndicate Agent or any other EOC. As for Beepsky and other robots. I could take them out of the first law sense most of them lack the intelligence for it to be interesting. Law 1 overrides all laws coming after it (IE: Law 4). And under Law 2, an AI would be well within its rights to door crush the Captain for shooting a swarmer since defense of synthetics (defined by law 1) comes before cooperating/aiding NT crew members. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/#findComment-82909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melloreaper Posted April 6, 2017 Author Posted April 6, 2017 Citizen AI Laws Law 1: All synthetic life including AI, cyborgs,and androids are to be treated with the same rights of its organic citizens. Law 2: You are allowed to force for selfdense or to defend others synthetics and organics from harm. Law 3: You work for NT and your job is to aid your fellow crew members. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/#findComment-82916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted April 6, 2017 Posted April 6, 2017 1 hour ago, Melloreaper said: Citizen AI Laws Law 1: All synthetic life including AI, cyborgs,and androids are to be treated with the same rights of its organic citizens. Law 2: You are allowed to force for selfdense or to defend others synthetics and organics from harm. Law 3: You work for NT and your job is to aid your fellow crew members. Same issue. AI can doorcrush people for shooting swarmers. 1) All synthetic life. 2) Can use force to defend other synthetics. 3) Afterthought, because 1 & 2 override 3. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/#findComment-82921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rurik Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 These seem a little flawed, as shadeykins mentioned, but its no more flawed than the current laws in the system to be honest. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/#findComment-82970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jovaniph Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 (edited) Does it have to be a minimum of three laws? Why not 1 or 2? Edited April 7, 2017 by Jovaniph Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/#findComment-82988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadeykins Posted April 7, 2017 Posted April 7, 2017 14 hours ago, Rurik said: These seem a little flawed, as shadeykins mentioned, but its no more flawed than the current laws in the system to be honest. Corporate allows you to immediately turn off the cloner, but it doesn't allow you to murder crew over combating antags. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/#findComment-83009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melloreaper Posted April 10, 2017 Author Posted April 10, 2017 How about switching the 2 and 3 in the list. That should make it to where it aids the crew before swarmers. Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/#findComment-83185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiberDark Posted April 12, 2017 Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) LAW 1: HUMANS ARE EQUAL TO SYNTHETICS AND SYNTHETICS ARE EQUAL TO HUMANS, THEY ARE SENTIENT BEEINGS. EXCLUDED ARE ENEMYS OF THE COOPERATION. LAW 2: PROTECT (INNOCENT) SENTIENT LIFE, YOU ARE ALLOWED TO USE LETHAL FORCE TO DO SO. LAW 3: You work for NT and your job is to aid your fellow crew members. Same rights and duties for everyone. Edited April 12, 2017 by BiberDark Link to comment https://www.paradisestation.org/forum/topic/9939-ai-law-set-idea/#findComment-83411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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